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Member:
Bigk

Posted on Thursday, Dec 11, 2003 - 10:36 pm:

Hi Dr O, I have a 4 year old gelding thoroughbred that has had one pretty severe episode 3 weeks ago. He was brought back slowly, to the point of being able to train. Last 3 days he has had a "slight" episode after working.
I'm giving him 40CC of milk of magnessia in the am before training. Any ideas?
My e-mail address is synergy7@optonline.net
Moderator:
DrO

Posted on Friday, Dec 12, 2003 - 6:10 am:

Hello Jaime,
We have a whole article full of ideas, see » Equine Diseases » Lameness » Diseases of the Upper Rear Limb » Tying Up, Rhabdomyolysis, and Shivers (EPSM) for more.
DrO
Member:
Bigk

Posted on Friday, Dec 12, 2003 - 11:13 pm:

Hi Dr O,
The horse had a more severe "tying up" episode this morning. He will be scoped tomorrow. My question is "can having an ulcer affect a horses kidney functions? I did not come across this correlations in the articles that I read. This horse has sometimes stretched to pee only to get up again. Had a urine test done which was normal. His blood test came back with almost normal for all his functions, so I'm somewhat lost as to his diagnosis. Can all this things be related and he not be tyied up at all, but unable to move because of pain? He is in a lot of discomfort, as he is totally refusing to walk at times. Appreciate having this forum. Great Idea Thanks .
Moderator:
DrO

Posted on Saturday, Dec 13, 2003 - 9:16 am:

No usually there would be no connection between gastric ulcers and kidney function. Unless what you are seeing are colic episodes and not tying up.

Nor can I think of any relation between the ulcers and tying up. You could hypothesize kidney failure and electrolyte abnormalities but with kidney failure, tying up would be the least of your problems.
DrO
Member:
Bigk

Posted on Saturday, Dec 13, 2003 - 2:37 pm:

Hi Dr O, had the GI scope. He has 3 or 4 small ulcers maybe the size of a dime each one, do not look very big. In a way I was hoping that I would see a huge ulcer, but no. Will go on gastroguard for 7 days and reevaluate. When he had his original episode about three weeks ago, colic was eliminated after examination and because of his high CPK count 16.000, his episode was attributed to tying up.
Since his CPK is 1900 which is still high, but better. Would this CPK count still be high enough to cause him to "Tye up"?
Thanks
Moderator:
DrO

Posted on Sunday, Dec 14, 2003 - 8:56 am:

16,000 almost no matter what the units, certainly was a tying up which brings us back to is your vet trying to paint a relation between the two and if so on what basis. The CPK does not cause tying up: it is the result of it. For more on this refer back to the article on tying up.
DrO
Member:
Bigk

Posted on Sunday, Dec 14, 2003 - 6:38 pm:

Hi Dr O:What is the proper way of bringing a horse back from a tying up episode. Should he be walked only, and for how long? Or maybe he should have light exercise? Do you have to wait until his muscle enzymes are back to normal?
Thanks for your input.
Moderator:
DrO

Posted on Monday, Dec 15, 2003 - 5:52 am:

This really depends on the severity and cause of the problem Jaime. We try to cover most of these factors in » Equine Diseases » Lameness » Diseases of the Upper Rear Limb » Tying Up, Rhabdomyolysis, and Shivers (EPSM). Concerning muscle enzymes it depends on which ones you are talking about. If it is the very short lived ones, yes you should wait. If it is the longer lived ones it is not neccessary. The article explains the difference.
DrO
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