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Member: Qh2244 |
Posted on Monday, Aug 9, 2004 - 1:39 pm: My horse recently started having problems keeping his hind shoes on. He has never had the problem and my farrier was going through a list of possible things that may have caused the change in his hooves. Nothing matched, but as he was leaving he said " is there any chance he's on a daily de-wormer?"Bingo. He said that he has recently heard other farriers commenting that it seems as though daily de-wormer seems to have a negative affect on some horse's feet. He cautioned me that doesn't know for sure, but that that could be it. ( My horse had been on the daily de-wormer for about 8-9 months when the problem started occurring. I had him on Continuex). Has anyone else heard of this? Thanks!!! |
Member: Sunny66 |
Posted on Monday, Aug 9, 2004 - 2:59 pm: Sorry, I can't help, but I want to know the answer to this too..I just put my mare on it. |
Moderator: DrO |
Posted on Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 - 9:08 am: Though I do not routinely recommend the use of daily dewormer (see the article on deworming for specifics) it is very unlikely there is any relation between this and your horses bad feet. For more on this see, Equine Diseases » Lameness » Diseases of the Hoof » Poor Horn Quality: problems with the wall and soles.DrO |
Member: Ajudson1 |
Posted on Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 - 9:35 am: If memory serves me right, my farrier said his horses seemed to colic more on daily wormer, may have been founder but I think colic. He won't use it either, nor does he reccommend anyone else use it.That was his experience. My thoughts are something that is toxic enough to kill off parasites inside a horse can't be good for the horse either. Of course I do worm every 8 weeks or so depending on the wormer I am using. Have to weigh the consequences of having worms, vs using the wormer of course. |
Member: Qh2244 |
Posted on Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 - 11:18 am: Thanks for all the feedback. It seems as though the more we try to help the horses, the worse off they are sometimes. (daily de-wormer, overloading on supplements etc. ) I had a bucket of unopened de-wormer and returned it to the tack store. The woman at the counter had the same reaction as you Angie.She said that if a horse has toxins in its body daily that are strong enough to kill the worms, it must eventually show up somewhere else. It had never crossed my mind that I could possibly be doing more harm than good! |
Member: Qh2244 |
Posted on Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 - 11:20 am: Thanks DrO. I will take a look at that article!! |
Member: Lisamg |
Posted on Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 - 1:14 pm: I had always resisted the suggestion by others to use daily dewormer. I just had a gut feeling, like may of you, that daily "poisoning" even if it was directed at the worms was not a good thing for my horses. Glad I never succumed to the suggestions. Good luck with your horses feet Cassandra!Lisa |
Member: Sunny66 |
Posted on Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 - 1:25 pm: My filly rubs her bum, not just her tail, her entire bum on the fence, hence the daily dewormer...is there something else to try?We've tried moisterizers too, but they don't seem to help, so the vet said to try the daily dewormer. It's not helping either...she rubs whether she's in heat or not. |
Member: Deggert |
Posted on Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 - 2:12 pm: Try this on itchy tails, ( got this from some show horse friends) Wash with mild soap or Orvus but cut Baking Soda into the soap and massage into the dock top to bottom. Rinse well. That's it. The other thing that works well is Listerine massaged into the tail. My mare will rub her tail when it actually is her udders that need cleaning, or the area around the vulva etc. She is very picky about her cleanliness! Hope these help. |
Member: Sunny66 |
Posted on Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 - 3:48 pm: Thanks Debbie! Baking Soda huh? Can I mix it in with regular shampoo - I haven't heard of Orvus...where can I get it?Can I use that on her bum as well? She rubs from the point of her hip -- both sides and on top. She doesn't wreck her tail, but my gelding does once in a while...I will use that on his tail for sure. I do clean her udders once a week and her vulva every day with a damp cloth. |
Member: Frances |
Posted on Wednesday, Aug 11, 2004 - 4:19 am: Cassandra: in case the daily dewormer isn't the cause of the hind shoes coming off, have you noticed whether your horse ever steps on the lateral extensions of one hind shoe with the other foot, thus ripping the shoe off when he lifts the first foot? Just a thought, because I had that problem - my mare was losing a back shoe every week - very annoying for me and for the farrier - and that turned out to be the reason. Now she's barefoot behind, and, no more problems. |
Moderator: DrO |
Posted on Wednesday, Aug 11, 2004 - 8:44 am: Whoaaaa....everyone, toxicity is not a problem with daily pyrantel (Strongid) dewormer: I have seen horses exposed to parasite contaminated pastures bloom when given daily pyrantel. Their coats glistened for the first time in years, feet became stronger, and they grew fat on 1/4 of the feed required before the dewormer. There are some management situations where it is a real god-send. But, for most horses with worm problems these results can be acheived without the extra expense and there are some other problems with daily pyrantel. This is gone over in more detail in Overview of Deworming and the article on Pyrantel, a link to it is provided in the Overview article.DrO |
Member: Lisamg |
Posted on Wednesday, Aug 11, 2004 - 10:58 am: Aileen;You know my horses (both mares and geldings) have been rubbing thier tails (and some the base of their manes too) for the past two years. Worming never seemed to help at all. They would still rub. My vet told me it was mites. His suggestion was to spray fly spray on the base of their tails, we use a mild fly spray (water based, not oil based) and rub it into their docks and if we need to at the base of the mane. It has helped a lot. Kind of a pain to spray 6 horses' tails every night but at least they have minimal damage this year due to rubbing. I can actually tell when the mites are back because when I start rubbing the spray in the horses react by lifting their tail (because it itches). I might try the baking soda too, to releive the itch. But would like to also know if it works with any type of shampoo. Does anyone know why the listerine works for itching? I'd be willing to try that too. The fly spray kills the mites but doesn't relieve the itch. Lisa |
Member: Qh2244 |
Posted on Wednesday, Aug 11, 2004 - 11:52 am: Lynn-No, I have not noticed him stepping on them. It was strange because the last two times he had back shoes on the same 2 nails were coming loose a few weeks early, and then by the time the farrier came the shoe was gone and his feet were chewed up. The farrier said that the hoof wall had changed and wasn't up to holding on the shoes. He's barefoot in back for now until something changes. Thanks for the input! |
Member: Deggert |
Posted on Wednesday, Aug 11, 2004 - 12:36 pm: Cassandra and LisaOrvus is just a plain soap, 100 % sodium laureth sulfate sp? Cheap and many horse people use it because a gallon is @ $10. Anything mild should work, baby shampoo. The listerine bottle used to say that it was soothing for mild dandruff or skin irritations. ( don't know if it still says this) but it works on people too. I will try the fly spay on my baby's tail too because he rubbed some hair out and now the gnats may have an easy target. Good Luck |
Member: Sunny66 |
Posted on Wednesday, Aug 11, 2004 - 2:30 pm: Perfect. Thanks!! |
Member: Lilo |
Posted on Thursday, Aug 12, 2004 - 1:39 pm: I have two horses. My mare has been on daily dewormer for about 5 years, the gelding as long as we have had him (3 years). Both are barefoot and have great hooves.I may consider going off the daily dewormer and trying some of the suggestions in Dr. O's article. But, it won't be because of bad hoof quality. Lilo |