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Steven M. Calderon
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Username: Donna7
Post Number: 3
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Monday, Jul 4, 2005 - 8:14 pm: |   |
Hopefully someone can help, our vets are stumped. We have a 26 yr old mare that had joint problems in the hock a week ago and we finally got her up after she layed down. We are in Phoenix and the temperature has been in the 110 deg range. She was dehydrated although she didn't want food nor water for two days, then she went down again. We were at the point of putting her down though when we got her up she seemed fine. The vet returned and gave her hock injections which seemed to work. Still, she has refused food and water for 6 days now. The vet put her on IVs and has tried liver medication since they thought that may be a problem. A blood work up was done with nothing too concerning other than dehydration. The Bilirubin was up a bit so the vet will be looking into that a bit further. We added a misting system to help keep her pen cool and continue to pump IVs into her. She typically eats quite a bit of hay and supplements per day and this is highly unlike her. We thought that the temperature may be affecting her, although she's lived here all her life and has never had problems w/ heat. She plays w/ the water and food but nothing is going down. The vet has checked her stomach and she's passing fine (very little due to lack of food). Her teeth were checked, they are fine. Everything seems to be working and has many vets here stumped. I can't mention all the horse diseases here, but the vets say she is showing no signs of anything. Does someone have any ideas, we sure don't want to put her down, but pumping four bags of fluids a day and liver meds doesn't seem to be working. BTW, when she is hydrated w/ IVs, she seems fine and a bit frisky. She though stands in the heat and looks interested in food/water but isn't eating/drinking..just picking. Lastly, she has been given pain meds for the hock and that doesn't seem to be bothering her anymore. She's been on Banamine for five days to see if this would encourage her to eat, no luck. Many Thanks, Steve & Donna |
CherylA
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Username: Canderso
Post Number: 260
Registered: 3-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, Jul 5, 2005 - 7:43 am: | |
Hi Steve & Donna
A wild guess - have you checked for abscesses or some other sort of blockage in throat? (We had similar situation at our barn a few weeks ago - it turned out to be a huge abscess at the very back of the mouth/top of throat)
Good luck... |
Steven M. Calderon
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Username: Donna7
Post Number: 4
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, Jul 5, 2005 - 10:40 am: | |
Our vet has checked out both (mouth and throat)and both are fine. She is low on red blood cells, we're wondering if she's feeling lousy because of this. We will try replenishing to get the cell count up, not sure what to do at this point. Thanks, Steve |
Cheryl Hohler
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Username: Chohler
Post Number: 294
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, Jul 5, 2005 - 12:41 pm: | |
Being on medication and banamine on an empty stomach has any one thought of ulcers, she might not have any but I am sure my stomach would be very upset being pumped full of meds and not eating. |
Ann Schrichte
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Username: Annes
Post Number: 90
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, Jul 5, 2005 - 12:59 pm: | |
This may sound strange, but has the vet specifically checked her tongue? When my gelding had EPM it affected the ability to use his tongue. It was like his tongue was paralyzed. He would try to drink but could not get the water up in his mouth to swallow. His red cell count was also down so we gave him Red Cell liquid. He had IV's for 7 days before he regained the use of his tongue. (raising his water bucket to his chin level helped too).He was dehydrated to the point of colic when the vet discovered the problem with his tongue. I hope you find the answer for your mare. Good luck.
P.S. The low red cell count made my horse weak and lethargic. |
Steven M. Calderon
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Username: Donna7
Post Number: 5
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, Jul 5, 2005 - 1:25 pm: | |
Our horse isn't showing any signs of ulcers so far as the vet can see. She wouldn't eat/drink prior to any meds given to her. On the tongue, when the vet examined her, her tongue seemed to be moving fine....since she doesn't like anything in her mouth and fiddles around while being examined. She eats a few bites of food and her water trough only goes down about an inch per day (temps are in the 108 range here in Phoenix) which is odd since regularly she drinks a lot. I can see where the red cell liquid may work, the wife is out getting them as we speak. Thing is if the red cells work, what's the cause? She's showing no signs of blood in the urine/feces to indicate an internal bleed. If this is it (internal bleed) I'm wondering if struggling to get up when she went down caused her to rip something inside? Many Thanks, I'll keep you posted...Steve |
Robert N. Oglesby DVM
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Username: Dro
Post Number: 13285
Registered: 1-1997
| | Posted on Tuesday, Jul 5, 2005 - 3:13 pm: | |
Steven the only thing we know from your post is your horse will not eat or drink, this is not related to the hock, in fact I don't think the hock problem is the reason she was laying down unless both hocks are very bad, horses attempt to stand even with a broken leg. It sounds like a potential impaction or other colic problem but there are many possibilities. Instead of hydrating through relatively expensive IVs, why not go the nasogastric tube route? You can also create a slurry with vitamins, minerals, and some alfalfa pellets for nutrition that can go down this way. If no one there can diagnose the problem I recommend you refer her. I would be interested in what the hematocrit (or PCV) was and if it is low what lab values are you basing the signs of dehydration on?
DrO |
Steven M. Calderon
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Username: Donna7
Post Number: 6
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, Jul 5, 2005 - 4:54 pm: | |
Thanks Doc, we've been monitoring fluid input on our mare constantly which is next to none. My wife got her some "sweet feed" today and she ate about a 1/2 of a small coffee can and that's it, very little if any water. We agree that the hock isn't the problem and we've had four vets consulted and our primary vet has been coming out to check on her and drop off more Banamine. The vet has examined her because our mare does colic easily, though no impaction, at to make sure, our vet tubed her with mineral oil/water and she's passing fine. In terms of fecal output....maybe one small pile a day if any, plus a rectal exam was done with no indicators. I'm trying to get a hold of my wife as I post to get more info on the blood work. Thanks, Steve |
dina
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Username: Paix
Post Number: 41
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, Jul 5, 2005 - 5:45 pm: | |
Hi Steve,
This all sounds terribly scary. Seems as tho you, your wife and the Vets are doing everything you can to try to figure out what is going on.
You mentioned she took in a tiny bit of sweet feed...
I wonder if she likes ice and would play with it and crunch it about getting some water in her...?
Also, I wonder about offering her some well soaked beet pulp, also getting water and nutrition in her.
Both these things helped one of my horses when he was dehydrated and ran a fever of over 106 for 10 days. He didnt totally refuse food & water, tho...
Just thot Id share what worked for my guy while your trying to figure this out.
Another thot... Could she have been exposed to any kind of toxic plant/insect/chemical where maybe she didnt ingest enuff to make her FULLY sick, but is suffering chronically...?
BTW, it took about a month for my guy to fully recover from his experience that was never diagnosed. I sure hope she comes around soon.
Take care |
Steven M. Calderon
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Username: Donna7
Post Number: 7
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, Jul 5, 2005 - 7:13 pm: | |
Thanks Dina for the info, our mare is staying hydrated only w/ IVs at the moment. I checked the water trough this afternoon and little to none is gone. She's picking at the food, takes a bite or two and that's it. We went ahead with the Red Blood Cell replenishment today and we'll see if this helps. Steve |
Steven M. Calderon
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Username: Donna7
Post Number: 8
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, Jul 5, 2005 - 7:25 pm: | |
DrO: The PCV was at 31%, the range is 35-52%. The other blood test readings that were out of range were; AST 668 IU/L (range: 180-570), T. Bilirubin 4.4 MG/DL (range: 0.1-2.5), Glucose 142 MG/DL (range: 70-120), CPK 2188 IU/L (range: 20-500), RBC 6.3 (range: 6.5-10.5), MCHC 38% (range: 31-37) and of course the PCV as mentioned. The vet did put her on some type of liver medication to see if there would be a difference, but no change. The glucose was high, though the vet attributed it to stress. Not too sure on the other lab results, but it does seem that she's acting somewhat lethargic. At first when this all happened she would pace in her stall back/forth to the water trough which we attributed to pain from the hock, since then the pain meds have helped tremendously. She does look like she takes a mouth full or two of food and that's about it. Highly unlike her, she's quite the eater/drinker when healthy and has never turned down food. Any ideas? Just feeling helpless that we can't do more! Many Thanks, Steve |
Robert N. Oglesby DVM
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Username: Dro
Post Number: 13288
Registered: 1-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, Jul 6, 2005 - 7:32 am: | |
Though a little low this PCV is not low enough to cause any clinical signs, neither does any of this work indicate dehydration Steven. It is usual for bilirubin to rise when a horse goes off feed and the CPK to rise when a horse lays down a lot. I agree that the glucose can be stress but also older horses developing Cushings become insulin resistant and may have persistently high glucose values. There is not much here to hang our hat on I am afraid, but neither do I see a reason to be worried from this alone. What are the horses vital signs (pulse, respiration, and capillary refill time).
DrO |
Steven M. Calderon
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Username: Donna7
Post Number: 9
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, Jul 6, 2005 - 10:41 am: | |
We received a call back from our vet yesterday (Tuesday) and she mentioned that she talked to the lab and came to the conclusion of two possibilities. One, that she has an ulcer, two the worse case that she has stomach cancer. She did eat/drink a bit yesterday which is encouraging. Our vet wants to try "Gastro-Guard" I believe it's called (or a generic med similiar)for a few days and see if she responds. If not, we will take her to the hospital for scoping. Her vitals seem fine, when I spoke to the vet a few days ago, will find out more on the capillary refill time. With the Banamine, red blood cell replenishment, she seems a bit more interested in food/water, hopefully we're getting close to some type of conclusion. Again this morning she was down and we had trouble getting her up. Hoping more that she's just weak from lack of nourishment (which we are dealing with) instead of the hock problem re-occurring. Thanks, Steve |
Lisa Brand
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Username: Trouble
Post Number: 103
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, Jul 6, 2005 - 11:20 am: | |
Steve,
I don't know if your mare likes watermelon or not, but when my gelding doesn't seem to be drinking enough water, I cut up pieces of watermelon and put them in a bucket full of water. As he eats the watermelon (which is mostly water anyway) he also has to drink some water to get it.
Don't know if this would work for you. Just an idea. I wish you luck in getting your mare back to good health.
Lisa |
Aileen
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Username: Sunny66
Post Number: 866
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, Jul 6, 2005 - 11:41 am: | |
Or apples...in a shallow bucket and just keep filling it with water
Good luck to you! |
Steven M. Calderon
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Username: Donna7
Post Number: 10
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, Jul 6, 2005 - 3:02 pm: | |
We've given her everything she likes to eat, regularly she's a avid eater/drinker so this isn't the case. Kinda like when you feel sick and everything either doesn't look or taste good, no matter how much you like it, and of course the taste of meds probably doesn't help, no matter how much you mask the med's bitterness with stuff she likes. We're going to keep trying to a certain extent with IVs, ulcer meds and quite possibly with more hock injections, but we can't help looking at what the "quality of life" will be for her if we continue with the course of action we are taking now. Many Thanks All, Steve |
Sara Wolff
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Username: Mrose
Post Number: 766
Registered: 1-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, Jul 6, 2005 - 6:46 pm: | |
Good luck with your mare, Steve. |
Steven M. Calderon
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Username: Donna7
Post Number: 11
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, Jul 6, 2005 - 7:31 pm: | |
Many thanks for all the input from everyone, I'll let you know what our next course of action is. As of getting home today, our mare Rebecca is eating/drinking very little, we should be getting a call from the vet today to see what the next step will be. Steve |
Carolyn Santucci
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Username: Santucci
Post Number: 90
Registered: 3-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, Jul 6, 2005 - 9:23 pm: | |
I have my fingers crossed for you and your mare, Steve. She is very lucky to have you. |
Shirley A. Johnson
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Username: Shirl
Post Number: 216
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, Jul 6, 2005 - 10:54 pm: | |
Steve, My wishes for luck go along with everyone else's. Nothing is worse than the "not knowing".
Prayers go your way. Shirl |
WTG
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Username: Angel77
Post Number: 23
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, Jul 7, 2005 - 4:18 am: | |
Dear Steve,
We have heat waves here in Calif of course not nearly as bad as in your state. The water misters are a great idea. Do you hose her down as well?
Is it possible she has lost a close companion? Or moved to another stall? Or does she have a companion she is close with? I have found when my horse is not well he covets his time with his 28 yr old mare. They are definitely in love.
I know this must sound crazy but I have seen horses health turn around and get better when they have a companion whether it is a goat, a mini, an older horse, or even a dog, cat or chicken.
The idea of watered down beet pulp(which is supposed to be soaked I've been told for 24hrs prior to feeding), watermelon mashes, or even a watery bran mash with some molasses and or carrots for flavor may help.
Another idea may be to ice her legs down a couple of times a day to see if this makes her comfortable enough to eat and drink.
I feel for you and your horse. I hope she turns around soon.
Good Luck,
WTG |
Robert N. Oglesby DVM
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Username: Dro
Post Number: 13296
Registered: 1-1997
| | Posted on Thursday, Jul 7, 2005 - 7:57 am: | |
Steve I still do not read anything that accounts for the symptoms your horse is displaying and until we know the cause cannot accurately prognose and treat. If there is no response to the omeprazole suggest a second (or will this be the fifth?) opinion.
DrO |
Nancy S. Kaplan
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Username: Redalert
Post Number: 131
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, Jul 7, 2005 - 9:52 am: | |
Steve,
My heart goes out to you ... my thoughts and prayers are with you and your dear horse. Looks like you are doing everything you can do to help her!
Nancy |
Steven M. Calderon
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Username: Donna7
Post Number: 12
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, Jul 7, 2005 - 10:54 am: | |
Our vet was back out last night and administered some meds (similar to GastroGaurd) to see if maybe this is related to an ulcer. Our mare has had a long history with colic, although other than not eating/drinking she's not showing other signs. The vet again checked her digestive system and it is active (good). Her fecal output is about two small piles in 24 hrs and urine continues to be dark/thick. We went ahead and gave her two bags of IVs last evening. The vet mentioned that it was strange that she shows very few signs of significant weight loss. Once the IVs were done and the meds administered, she took a few bites of a "buffet" we put out for her, looking like she wants to eat, and paces back/forth to the water trough after one bite and wetting her lips but still not drinking. We turned her loose last evening and she was quite active (obviously not wanting to be caught for more meds). BTW when this was occurring last weekend, I did install a misting system in the stalls which seems to keep it cooler, although our mare rather stand to the rear of the stall in the heat, go figure that. The reason that we haven't taken her to the hospital yet is simply that the hospital would be doing exactly what we are doing now (giving IVs, meds..)....being at home is less stressful for her. If all doesn't work, we will have her taken to the hospital Monday for scoping and ultrasounds. Thanks you all for your encouragement!! Steve |
Robert N. Oglesby DVM
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Username: Dro
Post Number: 13302
Registered: 1-1997
| | Posted on Thursday, Jul 7, 2005 - 6:35 pm: | |
It is not the therapy I am interested in so much Steven, as that has just been symptomatic, I am interested in a fresh set of eyes on this horse with the possibility of a diagnosis being made.
DrO |
Steven M. Calderon
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Username: Donna7
Post Number: 13
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Friday, Jul 8, 2005 - 12:00 pm: | |
I agree, we decided to have her trailered to the hospital today since the ulcer meds prescribed a few days ago haven't worked. She has been eating about a one pound can of pellets/grain for the past two days and drinking very little if any water. We have continued the IVs. The hospital plans to scope her this morning, hopefully we'll get some answers. Thanks, Steve |
Steven M. Calderon
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Username: Donna7
Post Number: 14
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Friday, Jul 8, 2005 - 5:12 pm: | |
Our mare is back from the hospital. Diagnosis with scoping was an ulcer. We were told that ulcers have a degrees of severity, which are mare's is somewhat higher on the scale. The meds which were prescribed (a generic to "GastroGuard")is limited on what it can do....so we were told to go directly with GastoGuard. She did eat/drink a bit after returning today from the hospital. We're still somewhat concerned because no can tell us a "cause" of how this occurred, since the symptoms occurred before she was stressed out from the laying down episodes. Well at least she's still with us for now. Steve |
Holly Wood
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Username: Hwood
Post Number: 690
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Friday, Jul 8, 2005 - 5:18 pm: | |
It's a relief to know in which direction to expend your energies. So glad you were able to get her into the clinic. Best wishes to you and your mare as you folks continue giving her the best care you can give. |
Ann
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Username: Dres
Post Number: 553
Registered: 10-2000
| | Posted on Friday, Jul 8, 2005 - 7:13 pm: | |
I have a mare that went slowly off her feed.. started with the AM feeding... then went completely off... within 4 days of the GASTROGARD she was back on her feed... becus of the expense, I have put her on 7 days full dose, and 8 days of 1/2 dose... I hope this will help as the cost is really prohibitive...
On the first day God created horses, on the second day he painted them with SPOTS.. |
dina
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Username: Paix
Post Number: 42
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, Jul 8, 2005 - 10:28 pm: | |
DrO,
What is the thinking abt H.Pylori and ulcers in horses?
Seems all I can find on the subject is that H.Pylori hasnt been isolated in horses stomachs, but have studies been done with a double antibiotic treatment for a specific duration... in conjunction with an acid inhibitor?
seems so simple - there must be studies out there?
thanks for ur time.
Steve -- I hope ur mare improves soon! Its a relief to know whts going on, huh. |
Robert N. Oglesby DVM
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Username: Dro
Post Number: 13310
Registered: 1-1997
| | Posted on Saturday, Jul 9, 2005 - 9:06 am: | |
Attempts have been made to isolate H. pylori in horses in association with stomach ulcers with no luck so far. There are some unique features of the equine stomach and we think we are beginning to understand the cause of ulcers in performance horses see the article on Gastric Ulcers for more.
DrO |
Steven M. Calderon
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Username: Donna7
Post Number: 15
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, Jul 10, 2005 - 2:29 am: | |
Hope the GastroGuard works!! So far she's on Day 2 of the GastroGuard still not eating. She drank quite a bit after returning from the hospital, but again has failed to drink since yesterday. The pattern is that when she's sedated heavily, she will eat a bit and drink. After she's fully cognitive, she again shows no interest. Will have to continue IV therapy again tomorrow. In addition to GastroGuard (1 tube/day), she's getting 4 grams of Sucralfate/3 times per day, 240 mL of Double Strength Mylanta per day. I can't figure out that if GastroGuard such a great thing, why do we still have to supplement with other meds...especially the Mylanta? Steve |
Ellie Leo
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Username: Skye
Post Number: 107
Registered: 5-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, Jul 10, 2005 - 7:48 am: | |
Hi, Steve. You are wonderful to do all you're doing for your mare.
FYI, my mare took about 7-8 days before responding to Gastrogard. I've heard of other horses taking a few days longer,
I wish you and your mare the very best. |
Steven M. Calderon
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Username: Donna7
Post Number: 16
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, Jul 10, 2005 - 8:07 pm: | |
Many thanks Ellie, we're continuing with the GastroGaurd and all the other meds, also giving her IV fluids today. I hope this stuff works, for as much as the vets brag about it. It's pricey, but well worth it if it works. We also noticed a lump on her stomach that developed over the past few days...almost looks like a hernia, although the scope didn't disclose anything other than the ulcer. BTW, did you or anyone else get a "cause" of the ulcer, what triggers it? Thanks, Steve |
Nancy S. Kaplan
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Username: Redalert
Post Number: 132
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, Jul 10, 2005 - 10:10 pm: | |
Hey Steve,
Been following your posts ... and I can tell you from personal experience how great Gastrogard is. It keeps my horse alive! He developed ulcers from many months of stall rest, along with pain meds, and multiple surgeries for an eye problem. His eye problem was resolved six months later but he was left with devastating gastric ulcers. He has to stay on a maintenance dose of the stuff, but many horses do just fine with the sixty day dose, and then management, such as free turnout with grazing, breaking up meals into three or even more feedings, high fiber diet! Good luck, and I hope your mare turns around really soon for you. My horse turned around, as far as feeling better, within two days with treatment. And now, if he has an "episode", he seems to turn around within hours of administration of Gastrogard!
I'll keep reading your posts, and pray for healing!
Nancy |
Ann
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Username: Dres
Post Number: 554
Registered: 10-2000
| | Posted on Monday, Jul 11, 2005 - 12:28 am: | |
Nancy, did you scope your horse to know for sure about the ulcers..? With my mare we went by her symptoms.. I worry about the expense and not being able to put her on the complete program.. .. she is out in pasture at least 10 hours a day / or night .. I keep hay in front of all my horses all the time.. .. but she is a busy body .. has to be aware of everything going on in or out of the barn... I think that is what caused her to either ulcer or the beginnings of it...
Steven please keep us up dated...
On the first day God created horses, on the second day he painted them with SPOTS.. |
Robert N. Oglesby DVM
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Username: Dro
Post Number: 13317
Registered: 1-1997
| | Posted on Monday, Jul 11, 2005 - 7:07 am: | |
The reason for the Mylanta and possible causes for ulcers in horses are explained in the article Equine Diseases » Colic and GI Diseases » Gastric Ulcers » Gastric Ulcers in Horses.
DrO |
Steven M. Calderon
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Username: Donna7
Post Number: 17
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Monday, Jul 11, 2005 - 10:28 am: | |
The day our mare begins eating/drinking, you can be assured that I'll let you know. She has been nibbling after giving her the Mylanta, but not eating significantly. We're keeping our fingers crossed, just hoping that this spell of above 110 degree temps end soon. The temps are supposed to peak out by tomorrow or Wednesday with a max temp of 115-116 degrees. Not fun for any horse, misters are a wonderful thing. Thanks, Steve |
Nancy S. Kaplan
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Username: Redalert
Post Number: 133
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, Jul 11, 2005 - 11:29 am: | |
Ann,
My horse was scheduled twice for scoping and became very colicky both times before the scope, so we just administered the Gastrogard and gave up on the solid evidence a scope would give us. He has been "tortured" so much that I (and his many vets) have just gone with the knowledge that if the Gastrogard works, then it is working on an ulcer. Gastrogard, plus turnout with free grazing, or free choice hay when stalled, and the breaking up of meals into 3 or 4 times of high fiber meals, seems to be working. I can many times skip the Gastrogard now, if life is perfect for him, BUT, when he is being trained on, I never skip the Gastrogard. He is going back to the training barn this week(would have gone there sooner, except the hurricane dumped too much weather on us to haul him there). I suspect we will go back to a larger dose there!
I have read that stopping the Gastrogard too soon causes many times the reoccurance of ulcers, so I would stick to the 60 day regimine at first, if at all feasible! I KNOW, IT IS A POCKETBOOK BREAKER! Good luck with your mare, too!!
Nancy |
Nancy S. Kaplan
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Username: Redalert
Post Number: 134
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, Jul 11, 2005 - 11:32 am: | |
Ann,
I just read your profile, and you have a great feeding and turnout regimine ... HOW DARE THAT MARE GET AN ULCER!!!!!
Nancy |
Judy G. Thompson
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Username: Judyt
Post Number: 3
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Monday, Jul 11, 2005 - 12:14 pm: | |
Steven:
I have a gelding that developed a high fever and quickly stopped eating back in January. I met with two different vets and they both diagonosed him with an ulcer.(no scope was done, because the vets didn't want him to travel, because of the stress) So they prescribed the Gastroguard. After I got the fever down he finally started eating again. Thank God for that Gastroguard. He had lost so much weight within a few short days. I know that it is expensive, but it was worth it. I did make sure he had plenty of water a hay. Eventually he has gotten his normal appetite back. Hang in there. I have been praying for you. |
