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STACIE PEEBLES
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Username: Stacie
Post Number: 43
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 - 8:55 am: |   |
Dr. O or anyone else please
Can you take a look at the ingredients in these and let me know your feeling on if you feel these supplements are benefiting for my horse. I have been using these for Ben who has had uveitus then glaucoma and then we later killed the eye if you possibly remember, so I am really trying to ensure I keep his other eye healthy as well as the rest of him as he is now over 20, also a fly mask with 73% protection from UV Rays is on him 24/7. We started putting these in his feed daily. No more problems, so I am wary about removing either from his diet.
http://www.equinesaver.com/ingredients_equinesaver.htm
If you would let me know your feeling on them I would appreciate it greatly. They cost about $220.00 for 90 days worth combined. |
Robert N. Oglesby DVM
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Username: Dro
Post Number: 15131
Registered: 1-1997
| | Posted on Thursday, Mar 23, 2006 - 8:07 am: | |
I do remember Stacie and you are right to be concerned as uveitis will sometimes spread to the other eye. While some have talked about the antiinflammatory properties of flax oils a recent review of the literature by the Mayo Clinic finds support for this view as weak.
Even assuming an anti-inflamatory effect there is no evidence that either of these products will increase the chances he will keep the eye as opposed to just plain old good nutrition using regular feedstuffs.
DrO |
STACIE PEEBLES
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Username: Stacie
Post Number: 44
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, Mar 23, 2006 - 8:42 am: | |
Thank you Dr.O
I think the Equine Saver I will continue, but the Master Jack I will stop. They get pellets and sweet feed, morning and evening, and they both have some nutrients added to them from the mill we get them from, but I would feel better knowing they are supplemented, just in case.....Especially since the equine saver also has some glaucosamine, condroitin and MSM in it. Can't hurt. Also give a apple and carrot with their meals, helps keep those docs away. Thanks much and take care |
Robert N. Oglesby DVM
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Username: Dro
Post Number: 15143
Registered: 1-1997
| | Posted on Friday, Mar 24, 2006 - 7:43 am: | |
I would not use any product that makes trying to figure dosage rates so difficult as in their ad in the link you give above. They report in 3 different units and don't provide how much a scoop of the product weights. It gives one the distinct feeling there are trying to obfuscate the issue.
Besides that MSM has no known useful properties when fed and there are sub-standard amounts of glucosamine and chondroitin in the product. It can hurt your pocketbook, might prevent you from finding more useful products (does your horse suffer from arthritis?), and if it is not helping why spend the money?
DrO |
STACIE PEEBLES
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Username: Stacie
Post Number: 45
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Friday, Mar 24, 2006 - 1:05 pm: | |
He is stiff, they both are. He, I believe was a carriage horse especially with his shape and size. I think that is why I had so many problems with his feet when we had 1st got them. I had no idea about the MSM having no known useful properties when fed - how else are you suppose to administer it if not orally? Or are you saying there is not any scientific documentation saying it is a beneficial supplement for horses? Our other horse gets the Majesty's Flex Wafers - each wafer contains
• Glucosamine HCl, 2500 mg
• MSM, 2500 mg • Vitamin C, 500 mg
• Yucca Extract, 1250 mg
• Chondroitin Sulfate, 600 mg
I wonder if I should just give them both these and not use the equinesaver at all, the cookies break down what is in each.....I was just so scared with all his problems to take it away in fear that his issues would return and the uvetitis move to the other eye and his foot growth come back.
I am starting to see the light. Does Biotin for his feet really work? Is there something to give horses that are prone to Uvetitis to help prevent a re-occurance other than his mask on 24/7?
I would have never thought that just 2 years after having these boys they were going to be forever just big yard ornaments. I would have loved to enjoy them longer. I enjoyed trail riding very much, but over the last 3 years that we have not been able to ride them or there about, I have decided that once they pass, I will be out of the horse business, to much heartbreak. Although they have given me the most love that an animal can. Especially Ben, we have a different bond. He almost seems to know what I am feeling and going to do to him each day I take care of him, and he let's me. Even if it hurts...... |
Robert N. Oglesby DVM
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Username: Dro
Post Number: 15154
Registered: 1-1997
| | Posted on Saturday, Mar 25, 2006 - 7:52 am: | |
There is no scientific evidence for a benefit with the oral use of MSM.
Let's see for our recommendations on joint supplement profiles see, Equine Medications and Nutriceuticals » Anti-inflammatories (NSAID's, Steroids, Arthritis Rx) » The Joint Protective Treatments but you will find additional recommendations in the Overview article on arthritis.
Concerning the use of biotin and other therapies for poor quality horn see, Equine Diseases » Lameness » Diseases of the Hoof » Poor Horn Quality: problems with the wall and soles.
Concerning treatments for uveitis including some ideas on preventing or decreasing recurrent episodes see Equine Diseases » Eye Diseases » Anterior Uveitis, Recurrent Uveitis, Periodic Opthalmia, and Moonblindness.
Each of these problems should not be looked at like their is a specfic supplement that will make then go away but as conditions that require management in a holistic way which should always include good nutrition and deworming procedures, mangement that addresses the problem, nutriceuticals that some evidence for efficacy, and possibly specific medication when the former does not control it. To put it more simply, the quality of your forage is far more important than any of the products you mention above when it comes to preventing disease.
What specifically is wrong with your horses Stacie? It is probably best to talk about them one at a time and let's start with the least ill horse.
DrO |
