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New Member: Minari |
Posted on Friday, Jul 14, 2006 - 11:54 am: My horse, a 26 years old stallion had tapeworms and many others. He got about the worming like you discribe for the debilitated horse and now there was 2 weeks from the last worming with Axilur. He has also breathing problems which seemed to be better after wormings. Anyway now the breathing is again worse and he had a mild colic yesterday. So should I give him some wormer now again (In checking 2 weeks ago he had still parascaris equorum, but not any more tapeworms and then I gave the Axilur for him)Is it better use Strongid paste and how often you can give it? And the doses? Or is it better to give ivermectin? (He got also Quest and Equimax by a vet in june). Can it cause some problems to get so much these wormers? I am also suspecting that he has cushings, but we don´t have diagnosis about that. |
Member: Cheryl |
Posted on Friday, Jul 14, 2006 - 3:33 pm: Hi Minari,My Vet was just here to see my mare. I was talking to him about the fecal flotations he had done on my horses (all negative - yeah) and ask if there were any worms I needed to be worried about that wouldn't show up on a flotation. He said they had lost a mare to tapeworms - which they had considered - but both flotations they had done on her didn't show any eggs. So apparently you can have a negative show up for tapes and still have them. Cheryl |
Moderator: DrO |
Posted on Friday, Jul 14, 2006 - 6:53 pm: Welcome to posting Minari,The deworming schedules we provide are suitable for a healthy 26 year old horse. Can you tell me:
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Member: Frances |
Posted on Saturday, Jul 15, 2006 - 11:34 am: I believe tapeworms only shed eggs sporadically, and this is why fecal egg counts cannot be used to monitor them.It's better to just assume a horse may have them and worm with Prazinquantel every 6 months, or at least once a year. And perhaps more often if the horse in question has had a tapeworm burden recently. |
New Member: Minari |
Posted on Sunday, Jul 16, 2006 - 4:47 am: Thank you for your answers! This is great place to learn and I have been reading the articles and discussions and you can find very valuable knowledge there.Then I try to answer the questions: Axilur contains fenbendazole. And we didn´t have diagnosis of the colic. The stallion has anyway quite dry manure. And about the breathing problems. He had a year ago some infection (perhaps EHV?) and he got this heavy breathing after that. It seems to be emphyzema and it is worse in summer during pasture time. He has also teeth problems so that I have to feed him hay cobs and some other smooth food. He is anyway eating also some in pasture and some soken hay. |
Moderator: DrO |
Posted on Tuesday, Jul 18, 2006 - 7:19 am: Hello Minari,We discuss benzimadazole (including fenbendazole) dewormers in the Overview article. I can't help much with the colic since we don't know why. However the summer pasture associated respiratory disease is interesting: which state or country do you live in? Even better is if you will go into your profile and fill in this info and the parts about your horse care we can probably help further. DrO |
New Member: Minari |
Posted on Tuesday, Jul 18, 2006 - 4:49 pm: Hello DrO,I understand that it is impossible to know the reason of the colic, if we don´t have diagnosis. I was only wondering, if the worms still could cause some trouble for him now. The respiratory problem really gets worse already in spring when it is much pollen in the air. Now we have also had very dry summer, so in the air is much dust. We are living in a small town and the pastures are surrounded with streets. I was also filling some more info to my profile |
Moderator: DrO |
Posted on Wednesday, Jul 19, 2006 - 8:04 am: Worms can always cause problems Minari, always. As to whether this is a potential for your horse since you are using products we think are less than efficaous yes it is possible it still is a problem. Also following removal of a heavy burden problems can remain while the gut heals. The length of time for this depends on the amount of damage.Over here we have a condition called Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease and Summer Pasture Associated Obstructive Pulmonary Disease. Your horse sounds like it may be suffering from one or both. Note that if this is a allergic pneumonia, it almost certainly is to one or two specific spores or pollen not a range of them, see Diseases of Horses » Respiratory System » Heaves & Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease for more on proper treatment. DrO |
New Member: Minari |
Posted on Monday, Jul 24, 2006 - 9:34 am: Thank you again. I try to follow the program to get rid of the worms. I gave him last wednesday ivermectin and after some hours he seemed to have some pain in stomach. I was walking with him and giving some oil and it helped. After that he was again eating well. What would you suggest to help the gut to heal?About the COPD, I was reading the articles. And it seems that you should use some cortisone-products like prednisolone. I am quite doubtful to use those because of the danger to get founder. This horse has in his near relatives many who has foundered. So what would be the best medicine after that? He got ventipulmin and it helped a little, but not so very long time. And I wonder if it would be worth to examine the allergy to find out what pollen are causing it? Here is one vet who is using serum for allergic horses like those having problems in skin and she has got very good results. |
Moderator: DrO |
Posted on Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 - 8:22 am: What were the symptoms of stomach pain Minari? If there is no fever or diarrhea, time alone should be enough and there is not much else that will speed it along.Though often treated as a fact with veterinarians the relation between founder and the use of corticosteroids remains a question. Many have questioned whether its use induces founder as experimentally you cannot. It is important to realize that COPD slowly causes irreversible changes in the lung that in time can result in the horse being put down. So it becomes a risk vs benefit equation. The article talks about alternative therapies other than bronchodilators, with which I have also had poor luck as stated in the article. But nothing works as well as removing the cause of disease from the environment and when that is not possible corticosteroids are the next best thing. Testing for allergins, using both blood and/or intradermal tests, in horses has been fraught with both false positives and false negatives. I would consider it a last resort if I considered it at all. Is there no source of dusty air or hay in this horses environment that it may be exposed to for a few minutes once every 21 days? That is where I would start with a possible cure for this horse, after all controlling this exposure is effective at controlling this disease in 90% of those horses effected by COPD. DrO |
New Member: Minari |
Posted on Sunday, Jul 30, 2006 - 6:33 am: I have been trying to find the way to control the exposure to dust and hay. Hay is easier if they are at pasture, but dust is in the air because it has not been raining here for weeks.I also see, that his breathing is better if it is colder weather and worse if there is thunder in the air. And if he has some pain in stomach it also influences the breathing. He don´t have diarrhea, but I see if he has pain in stomach he wants to roll and don´t want to eat. The manure balls are small and black. But now he has been better over a week and has been eating well. Because of his worn teeth he gets easily digestible food added to pasture. He has gained weight but you can see it mostly around belly area. The muscles are quite poor still. |
Member: Minari |
Posted on Tuesday, Aug 1, 2006 - 10:18 am: Hi again,I would like to ask about ensilage (of hay). If that is better in wintertime, is there any harm to feed it to a foundered horse? The foundered horse is together with this old one. And thank you again for advice. It is good to have the know that the irritation can last even 21 days! The weather continues to be dry here, so I think I can´t put the horses to the other pasture, where there is the open stable and a little road, which is covered with stone dust. I have now a doubt that also that stone dust must be very bad. Minari |
Moderator: DrO |
Posted on Tuesday, Aug 1, 2006 - 11:39 pm: The ensilage of hay is often marketed as haylage. As long as a horse is moved slowly to it, no I think this would be OK feed for a foundered horse. The question for me is it a good choice for COPD horses? I am uncertain about the mold spore content and risk of exposure. Horses seem well adapted to dusty conditions when the dust is from the dirt, it is the mold spores that are a problem.DrO |