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sandy mendez (Fredy)
| | Posted on Sunday, Nov 25, 2001 - 8:08 pm: |   |
Dr. O,
I have several questions regarding salmonella poisoning.
first: Is salmonella the same as colitis?
Is there a high fever associated with salmonella?
Is there generally always a clear, runny, bloody discharge?
If not treated properly for salmonella, can or does a horse go into shock?
What does his breathing sound like?
Once a horse has gone into shock from salmonella poisoning, along with the clear bloody discharge is there any way of saving a horse at this point?
Does a horse generally quit eating entirely when they have salmonella?
Can an infection such as a mild case of COPD bring on salmonella?
What if any organs shut down, do to salmonella?
Is there any sure way of diagnosing salmonella? and is there any mistaking salmonella with interstitial pneumonia when diarrhea was not yet present, only by listening to the horse breathing?
are there any similarities?
I read through the entire article on salmonella and colitis X and I did not find anything in the article that answered my questions.
Thank You for your help,
Sandy Mendez |
sandy mendez (Fredy)
| | Posted on Tuesday, Dec 4, 2001 - 7:53 pm: | |
Hi Dr. O.
I haven't heard back from you yet, regarding my questions on salmonella. I am really anxious to hear what you have to say on this matter. Another question on salmonella what is the proper treatment for salmonella and how soon should the treatment be given in order to save the horse?
Thank You,
Sandy Mendez |
Robert N. Oglesby DVM (Dro)
| | Posted on Wednesday, Dec 5, 2001 - 8:23 am: | |
Hello Sandy,
I composed a response Sandy and thought I had posted it. It must have become lost in cyber space, unfortunate as it took a long time to create. Thanks for jossling my shoulder here.
Lets see if I can recreate it. It pretty much pointed out that most of your questions are answered in the article and pointed the references with a few additional comments when your questions wern't directly answered in the article:
Is there a high fever associated with salmonella?
See paragraph 1 under Clinical Signs.
Is there generally always a clear, runny, bloody discharge?
I presume you mean bloody diarrhea. See paragraph 1 under Clinical Signs and under Prognosis.
If not treated properly for salmonella, can or does a horse go into shock?
See paragraph 1 and 2 under clinical signs.
What does his breathing sound like?
With salmonella there is nothing diagnostic about the way he breathes. Shock can cause the respirtory rate to rise. Generally if a particular symptom is not discussed in an article it is not an important part of the disease.
Once a horse has gone into shock from salmonella poisoning, along with the clear bloody discharge is there any way of saving a horse at this point?
I depends on the severity, see Prognosis for particular indicators of survival and Treatment for procedures.
Does a horse generally quit eating entirely when they have salmonella?
Again, it depends on severity, those mildy affected will continue to eat those with colic, shock, or severe electrolyte imbalances will quit.
Can an infection such as a mild case of COPD bring on salmonella?
COPD is an alleric condition and not usually associated with salmonella or colitis. Causes are addressed under the topic Causes and is often the topic of the scientific report summaries.
What if any organs shut down, do to salmonella?
If shock occurs all the systems of the body shut down.
Is there any sure way of diagnosing salmonella? and is there any mistaking salmonella with interstitial pneumonia when diarrhea was not yet present, only by listening to the horse breathing? are there any similarities?
Salmonella induced colitis is diagnosed on the basis of clinical signs and a positive fecal culture for salmonella. I do not think that interstitial pneumonia and Salmonella colitis have much in common clinically in typical cases, but medical journals are filled with tens of thousands of atypical cases. What if the salmonella was inhaled as well as ingested? Or what if the salmonella damage to the bowel seeded the blood and it settled in the lungs. You could have symptoms of lung inflammation and colitis.
Hope this helps and sorry for the delay. Mybe doing this twice made for a better response.
DrO |
sandy mendez (Fredy)
| | Posted on Wednesday, Dec 5, 2001 - 7:55 pm: | |
Dear Dr. O.
Thank You for answering my questions regarding salmonella. I have more questions. Have you ever heard of the sheath area being swollen when they have salmonella? as to the prognosis and treatment, is baytril 100 at 20CC each shot and the horse was given 3 shots, considered a trimethoprim-sulfa? could giving the horse baytril been more damaging, than to just giving him banamine? When talking about the severity of salmonella, the horse had a very rapid heart rate, staggering and falling into the fence and finally down, sweating profusely and very pale gums, when you pressed on the gums it took 6 seconds for any color to come back. The horse didn't show any signs of colic though. It all happened quit fast. Within a 24hr period and the last 8 hours the worst, when he went into shock. Thank You again for any help in this matter.
Sandy Mendez |
Robert N. Oglesby DVM (Dro)
| | Posted on Thursday, Dec 6, 2001 - 6:51 am: | |
Hello Sandy,
Taking them one at a time again:
Have you ever heard of the sheath area being swollen when they have salmonella?
Yes, it could become swollen by several mechanisms.
is baytril 100 at 20CC each shot and the horse was given 3 shots, considered a trimethoprim-sulfa? could giving the horse baytril been more damaging, than to just giving him banamine?
Baytril is not a sulfa drug. I cannot evaluate the appropriateness of the use of the antibiotic in your case, but it is unlikely it would cause an adverse outcome if proper dosages were given.
DrO |
sandy mendez (Fredy)
| | Posted on Thursday, Dec 6, 2001 - 8:08 pm: | |
Dr. O.
The horse was diagnosed with interstitial pneumonia, when in fact it was salmonella he had instead. He gave him baytril 100 thinking it was interstitial pneumonia. My question is would giving the baytril 100 of hurt him, since he really had salmonella? Would it of caused him to go into shock prematurely? Thank You, Sandy Mendez |
Robert N. Oglesby DVM (Dro)
| | Posted on Friday, Dec 7, 2001 - 7:36 am: | |
No I do not think so, if proper dosages are given.
DrO |
sandy mendez (Fredy)
| | Posted on Monday, Feb 18, 2002 - 5:50 pm: | |
Dr, O,
When I asked you about the sheath area being swollen when a horse has salmonalla, your repy was "yes it could become swollen by several mechanisms", what exactly do you mean by this? Thank You, Sandy Mendez |
