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Discussion on Barefoot to help contracted heels
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Yasmin
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Posted on Saturday, Sep 4, 2004 - 4:41 pm:
I know this is a really really old forum, but I was reading through all of this and do you think its possible that he had ulcers (its safe to assume that most horses have some degree of ulcers - says my professor/Vet at my vet school) and that the bute, change in environment, change in eating habits like maybe a change in his grain ration, and of course, stress had all aggrevated the ulcers (which were probably a bit on the bad side already from being on the track) and that he was colicking from a bleeding ulcer? Did you ever have a necropsy done? I'm just curious.
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Belhaven
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Posted on Sunday, Sep 5, 2004 - 11:27 am:
Yasmin-after lots of thought after losing Tag, I would guess, knowing what I know now, that ulcers would have been a pretty good diagnosis.
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Yasmin
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Posted on Sunday, Sep 5, 2004 - 5:32 pm:
Leah, Its helpful for all of us to learn from others experiences and I'm sorry that this had to happen to Tag. Its apparent that you were a very concerned Mom and that you did the best you could. 
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DrO
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Posted on Monday, Sep 6, 2004 - 6:14 pm:
I disagree, ulcers while a possibility are not likely from the above history. From just a statistical analysis, perforating ulcers would not be as common a cause of death from colic, as many other reasons, even with this history above. The common type ulcers your professor talks about are assymptomatic. For more on this see the article on ulcers.
DrO
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Yasmin
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Posted on Monday, Sep 6, 2004 - 6:56 pm:
Why are ulcers not likely from the history above?
I dont understand what you mean by "ulcers would not be as common a cause of death from colic" - are you saying that dying from ulcers is not as common as dying from some kind of intestinal colic, or other types of colic? I guess if that is true than maybe he didnt have a perforated ulcer. And the ulcers that are present in just about every horse, aren't those the same ulcers that can escalate into a perforated ulcer? That is what I was considering as what happened in this sitiation - but I don't know what about this history does not make him a likely candidate for that.
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DrO
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Posted on Tuesday, Sep 7, 2004 - 6:53 am:
There is no history of phenylbute overdosage Yasmin, which would increase the likelyhood of perforating ulcers. In adult horses a colic related death would much more commonly be due to large bowel torsion, strangulation, or obstruction.
Almost all adult horses have ulcers to some degree so this would be considered normal and do not usually advance to perforation even in cases where clinical signs (low grade colic and poor doing) develop. If they did almost all horses would die of ulcers. Adult horses that develop perforating ulcers usually do so secondary to other disease processes effecting the gi wall: cancer, gastrophillus (bots), drug toxicity, are some reported causes that come to mind.
DrO
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