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Debra Dove
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Post Number: 11
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Thursday, Apr 8, 2004 - 1:04 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Hello All,

The ticks are very bad this time of year and I was wondering if the tick/flea sprays you can use on dogs are OK to use on horses?

I have been using a product called Frontline Tick spray that my vet sold me which seems to work alright, but it is a bit pricey and I can only get thru him..I have not seen it advertised in any catalogs.

I read the other posts in this section and was unclear whether using human sprays for mosquitos, flies and other annoying critters was a problem or not for use on horses.

If using other species sprays is ok for horses, what brands do folks use? I am also interested in alternative home recipes if anyone is willing to share. The recipe using SSS formulation sounds interesting...

Thankyou,
Debra
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Little King Ranch
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Post Number: 43
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Thursday, Apr 8, 2004 - 7:41 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

I wouldn't. When it says it is for other animals, most of the time it means it. There are enough horse products available you don't need to use dog products which are for a specific purpose. Usually horse products are cheaper anyway and you would have to use more of a dog product on a horse than you do on a dog. Some products might be toxic to horses that aren't to dogs. EO
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Terri Haynie
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Post Number: 134
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Thursday, Apr 8, 2004 - 12:05 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I would not use dog products on horses. Adams is well known for flea/tick sprays for dogs, but they also make a product for horses and lots of people swear by it. I haven't used that, but I used to concoct the SSS-based spray myself--the ingredients (from memory, so hope this is close)--1 c. white vinegar, 1 (or is it 2?) c. SSS bath oil, 1 c. water, and at least 1 Tbsp. of Eucalyptus essential oil.
Pros: Smells pretty good to humans. Less expensive than other sprays if you find SSS on sale and a reasonable price on the E. oil. Easy to make.
Cons: Very oily stuff that collects LOTS of dirt/dust! Not nearly as effective as other sprays I've used...very short period of effectiveness. As well, horses were not as fond of the way it smelled and really hated being sprayed with it.
I stopped using it after one summer as I just didn't think it was that effective.
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Robert N. Oglesby DVM
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Post Number: 10231
Registered: 1-1997
Posted on Thursday, Apr 8, 2004 - 12:10 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Debra, there is no clear cut answer to your question. While many would be safe some may not. I have not seen a horse tick spray commercially and often make the recommendation that you get a dog tick dip to apply to the mane and tail areas only, as this is where they are a problem to find and remove. As a general repellant you will be safest to pick up horse products but if there is a question about a specific product, if you give me he ingredients and suggested application instructions I would be glad to comment.
DrO
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Debra Dove
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Post Number: 13
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Friday, Apr 9, 2004 - 2:04 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Dear DrO and others,

I went to the barn today and took out my bottle of Frontline spray that my vet sold me to spray on my horse for ticks.. Well, whadda ya know! It is a spray treatment for Dogs, puppies, cats and kittens... Nothing about horses at all! I misunderstood my vet.. I thought I was buying a product that was for horses and its not. At $50.00 for 500ml (17 fl oz) I am going to go back to my good ole Repel-X concentrate and use the money I save on a good magnifying glass to more easily find the little critters.

The label says it is made in France and distributed by Merial Limited in Duluth GA. The active ingredient is Fipronil 0.29% and the rest is inert ingredients.

I shall use the Frontline spray on my dog as needed and use the Repel-X on my horse..I have been enlightened.

Thankyou,
Debra

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Michele Taipale
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Post Number: 17
Registered: 6-2001
Posted on Sunday, Apr 11, 2004 - 6:44 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Debra, my vet also suggested frontline (fipronil) for my horses for ticks. Although the bottle makes no references to horses, I have found it more effective against the ticks than any other product I've tried (not foolproof, but better) I use it once a week during the bad tick seasons (which seems to be almost any time of year these days!). I spray it all over legs and tail. I have not had any negative effects. It seems that the ticks crawl up their legs less with the fipronil (when trail riding or in paddock) and no other product seemed to deter them much. I would be interested in knowing what Dr. O thinks about Fipronil? (All the warnings on the bottle make it sound pretty deadly, but then again, the ticks can be potentially deadly too)

Also, I use the Absorbine in the black bottle (I'm having a blank on the name) for flies at the same time (when the fly season starts and overlaps with the tick season) -- my vet said there was no negative interaction between the two products.

-- Michèle
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Robert N. Oglesby DVM
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Posted on Monday, Apr 12, 2004 - 8:54 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

The safety of Frontline and fipronil has not been well studied in the horse.
DrO
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Lorrie Hutchens-Grover
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Post Number: 23
Registered: 1-2004
Posted on Monday, Apr 12, 2004 - 2:19 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Terri,

The recipe for SSS spray is
4 16 oz. bottles of Skin So Soft
40 cc (about 5 tablespoons) pure eucalyptus oil
enough white vinegar to make up one gallon

I just happened to run across it the other day on rural heritage so I thought I'd share it.

Lorrie
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Terri Haynie
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Username: Terrilyn

Post Number: 137
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Monday, Apr 12, 2004 - 2:32 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Thanks Lorrie--I used a very similar recipe (only difference seems to be the addition of water in mine), but it made up very much smaller batches....rural heritage is geared toward draft horses, right? Geez, guess so if you're whipping this up by the GALLON. Anyway, I won't be making it any more...just didn't think it worked that well.

Thanks!!
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Robert N. Oglesby DVM
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Posted on Wednesday, Apr 14, 2004 - 8:50 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Due to its widespread reputation research has actually been done on SSS and it was not found effective, and neither did I. However I have not mixed it as above. However taken individually none are particularly effective as repellants.
DrO
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Colleen Goolsby
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Post Number: 198
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Friday, Apr 16, 2004 - 9:21 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Debra
After using various flea/tick/fly sprays and making my own with SSS. Ive found the human spray, Cutter, is working best for me. I have not had any negative responses using it on my horses. I have also found using "blue lotion" on human abrasions works well.
Colleen
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Jeani Hart
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Username: Jeans

Post Number: 25
Registered: 2-2004
Posted on Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 - 1:01 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Could Dr.O please comment on the use of human "OFF" with DEET in it? Although it is on the expensive side per ounce, I am gearing up for the battle on Mosquitos as well as ticks and flies, and that seems to be the most effective for mosquitos. Thanks, Jeani.
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Robert N. Oglesby DVM
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Username: Dro

Post Number: 10295
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Posted on Monday, Apr 19, 2004 - 6:41 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Hello Jeani,
We discuss DEET in the article Equine Diseases » Skin Diseases » Mosquito Control Around Horses and Barns.
DrO
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Jeani Hart
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Post Number: 26
Registered: 2-2004
Posted on Sunday, Apr 25, 2004 - 12:23 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Awesome O,
Great article, thanks!
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