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Liliana

Posted on Monday, Apr 11, 2005 - 8:02 pm:

Hello Dr. O

Yesterday morning when I went to the ranch I found that Henry who normally is a little piggish when it comes to breakfast, and he does a little dance and whinnie, was not interested in either his food or lovely green grass... His belly was tucked in with the dorsal muscle showing,you know it looks like if there was a line) he was slightly short of breath, his gums were pale and he looked in pain. I called our farrier/vet who said was urine colic and he came and gave him 5 amps of human Lasix 20 and he peed with in 10 minutes and seemed to be better and began to eat some grass.

Today however, although he is a gelding he was hitting his belly with his penis, and could not pee, so we gave him another dose of Lasix. although he may be a rig, still, he seemed in pain and when we offered water he plays with it and kind of sticks his tongue out and opens his jaws as if there were something in his throat may be, the gate at the yard was painted recently although it says is led free could there be a relation with his behaviour.

Either way what do you recommend

Many thanks in advance
Liliana
Moderator:
DrO

Posted on Tuesday, Apr 12, 2005 - 8:44 am:

Did he consume some of the paint?

If the horse appears to be having difficulty urinating the lower urinary tract needs a thorough exam and urinalysis for stones and infection. If stones are present catheterization will give relief but may require surgery to remove. For more on stones see, Equine Diseases » Urinary System » Kidney Stones.
DrO
Member:
Liliana

Posted on Wednesday, Apr 13, 2005 - 9:03 pm:

Dear Dr. O,

Our Henry, a good doer was off his food on Saturday evening. On Sunday morning he was not happy and his belly was tucked in, he had the line that they get on the flank when they cannot breath properly, (you know a horizontal sort of line) He did not want his breakfast or even his grass. So I called our farrier/vet and he said it was urine colic, so he injected 5 amps of Lasix 20 (human diuretic). He peed immediately but it was obviously painful. He seemed a bit better then.

Come Monday morning same scenario and same Lasix injection, but, on Tuesday when I offered water he stretched his neck and kind of got his tongue out as if he was choking, and his temperature was 39.5° C
So I injected 10mm of Butafenil and one 800 penicillin and a half a litter drip. His temperature went down and he began to eat much better.

Today his temperature was 38° and I gave him another 10mm of Butafenil and the penicillin 800 and another drip.

He only did one poop and little pee overnight.

His belly looks almost normal now just slightly tucked in, although he did not want his grain, he is picking at his grass and some alfalfa, he plays with his water and seems to dribble in it but drinks some.

He seems to be recovering fine, he lookes a lot better and happy, but, what do you think could be the problem?

Any thoughts please?
Liliana
Moderator:
DrO

Posted on Thursday, Apr 14, 2005 - 8:43 am:

What is in your butafenil Liliana? Without a developing wound around the mouth I don't think the spider bite explanation is plausible. Intermittent fever, inappetance, and previous symptoms of colic or straining to urinate is not enough information for a diagnosis. Assuming the urinary system get a clean bill of health (see previous post) I would continue to treat with the antibiotics and for a possible impaction, for more see Equine Diseases » Colic and GI Diseases » Colic in Horses » First Aid for Colic. You can get diagnostic imformation in the Overview article.
DrO
Member:
Liliana

Posted on Thursday, Apr 14, 2005 - 4:36 pm:

Hello Dr. O

Butafenil is Fenilbutazona and Sodium Salicilato none steroid. Actually, I was just reading the page and it really is for muscular and rheumatic pain. I just know that they call it Saint Buta here.
Although today he was up to 39° again he is eating happily, and drinking more, he pooped three times over night and peed some.

I am reading the articles that you mentioned, but, big question is, can the Fenilbutazona do him more harm than good?
Moderator:
DrO

Posted on Friday, Apr 15, 2005 - 8:17 am:

Got it, not if you use it according to recommendations, see Equine Medications and Nutriceuticals » Anti-inflammatories (NSAID's, Steroids, Arthritis Rx) » Phenylbutazone (Bute).
DrO
Member:
Liliana

Posted on Saturday, Apr 16, 2005 - 1:36 pm:

Thank you very much Dr. O, We did not give him a drip on Thursday and yesterday he was tucked in again like the first day.

Going back to the paint, he had a smudge on his nose, but, I guess it is unlikely for a horse to lick wet paint, would it not?

I am scatching my head with this one, all the horses are together in a 25 2m by 45 2m area, they have the same food and the same grass, sooo, I don´t know what´s up with Henry. Reading about colic in the article, I thought that may be he doesn't salivate properly. But, the temperature? where does that come from? It was 39° again yesterday!

By the way, how can I get this message to show on my tray, I always have to go to last day message, or even colic... and trace my post??!! \clipart
{crazy}
Many thanks again
Liliana
Moderator:
DrO

Posted on Sunday, Apr 17, 2005 - 9:45 am:

I have seen horses eat mighty strange things so I don't know. The important points on colic should be food and water consumption and fecal production. Concerning the fever: could the horse be anhiDrOtic: unable to sweat? Are you giving the penicillin regularly? If you think dehydration a problem and are going to give fluids IV then you should be giving at least 10 liters and sometimes 40L of a balanced polyionic fluid is called for.
DrO
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Member:
liliana

Posted on Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 - 7:32 pm:

Dear Dr.O
I don't remember why I did not write at the time, perhaps I had no Internet or something,but we did have him on a drip at the time an he was fine until last June when he went off his food and rolled violently on the ground, but he was fine with the Fenilbutazona.
I figure if I brought it up it might help figuring out the possible cause of death of my dear friend HENRY
Moderator:
DrO

Posted on Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 - 5:33 am:

No this does not help us Liliana. It is impossible to know if there is a connection or something else going on.
DrO
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