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Member: Rubysmom |
Posted on Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 - 11:45 am: Hello, got a question about a Dutch Warmblood mare fairly recently aquired that has no pigmentation around her blue eye, (huge white blaze that wraps around one eye).We would like to look into possibly having the area around the mare's eye tatooed to reduce the possibility of damage to that eye. She wears a fly mask 24/7 except when being ridden to protect her from sun damage to that eye and surrounding skin. I have had no luck researching this. Human tatoo artists are leery of working on horses. (understandably so). Our vet does not have the equipment to tatoo, but he is supportive of the idea, and would be able to sedate/anesthetize the mare to have the procedure done. Anyone ever have this done? And if so, how did you find a tatoo artist to do it? Any info would be most appreciated! Thank You! |
Moderator: DrO |
Posted on Monday, Aug 29, 2005 - 9:28 am: I have seen one horse that has been tattoed around the eyes for protection and it is not a pretty thing Angela. Though you see the recommendation in the equine opthalmology books, so therefore I pass it along to you in the appropriate articles, I too have long wondered where do your get this done.DrO |
New Member: Crobin |
Posted on Sunday, Sep 4, 2005 - 5:10 pm: I raise Paints, so blue eyes surrounded by pink skin are quite common. Several years ago I read an article about a tattoo artist in California who specializes in tattooing horses' eyes. I believe the article was in the Paint Horse Journal. Maybe it would be in their archives. I've never had any of my horses' eyes tattooed, so I can't speak from personal experience. Good luck! |
Member: Rubysmom |
Posted on Thursday, Sep 8, 2005 - 2:08 am: Robin, thank you for the info. We will look into the Paint Horse Journal and see if we can find the article.Do you think the archives would be on their website? I'll look into it! Thanks! |
New Member: Crobin |
Posted on Saturday, Sep 10, 2005 - 9:21 pm: Angela, I dug around in my old issues of PHJ but couldn't find the article on tattooing. If I remember right, it was a cover story, and it probably ran 4-5 years ago. If you don't have any luck on the website, I wouldn't hesitate to make a phone call to PHJ. I've found all the people at APHA to be very nice. If I run across the article, I'll post a message, but it looks as if I may have cleaned house and thrown away some old issues. |
New Member: Sybuck |
Posted on Tuesday, Sep 27, 2005 - 1:08 pm: I have just completed my courses and 'learning' about permanent cosmetics. I just returned from my advanced training course, during which time I met a woman who does this technique. It sparked my interest and I am anxious to learn the procedure, thought I am assured it is not much different at all from the 'human version' of such, with the exception of the horse having to be sedated, and I understand there is an addt'l medication administered by the attending vet that will stop the eye muscle from twitching. In beginning my own research into the procedure, I came across this post and am anxious to hear from more people about their experiences. |
Moderator: DrO |
Posted on Wednesday, Sep 28, 2005 - 8:58 am: I hope we get some replies Suzette. There are 3 nerves that activate the lid to blink. Their locations are well established and they are fairly easy palpated under the skin. I am sure you are referring to blocking these nerves with a bit of Carbocaine to keep the lid still. It may also decrease sensation, though I am less sure of this.DrO |
Member: Corinne |
Posted on Wednesday, Sep 28, 2005 - 7:25 pm: My friend at our barn, is an Ophthalmologist who just happens to own a paint with one blue eye that also has no pigmentation.She is not an equine vet obviously, but she may have some insight on the subject. I will run this post by her next time I see her at lessons as I am now curious about the topic as well. Until then, take care. v/r Corinne Meadows |
Member: Rubysmom |
Posted on Wednesday, Sep 28, 2005 - 11:21 pm: Great stuff! Thanks so much for checking into this!Suzette, are you in Southern California? :D Let me know what you find out. Our vet is fine with sedating/anesthetizing the mare for the procedure, IF we can find someone who can do it. Corinne, I am interested to hear what your friend has to say about it too. Thanks! |
New Member: Sybuck |
Posted on Wednesday, Oct 5, 2005 - 8:02 am: OK...anybody heard or seen anything else? Angela, did you find the article that Robin referred to? Corinne, been to lessons again yet? lol The girl I met is in Texas and is going to call me when she does the procedure again and let me assist. I understand that she will travel to wherever she needs to if owner is willing to pay travel and accomodations. She is reasonably priced also. Angela...I know another woman who was extremely interested in doing this who was actually from Redondo Beach,CA so it's possible that I can put you two in touch. She is an emergency room nurse to boot. We were both fascinated with this and I will check with her to see how far she's come in her research. Ladies....don't be stingy with what you find out..I am anxiously waiting lol |
New Member: Sybuck |
Posted on Wednesday, Oct 5, 2005 - 8:07 am: Dr. Oglesby..would you elaborate on the "not a pretty thing", please? Strictly your opinion, and not holding your feet to the fire..lol. Was the procedure done sloppily, the healing not good? It is my understanding that you just tattoo the mucosal lining of the horse's eye and not the skin around it. Anything you can help with is appreciated. |
Member: Rubysmom |
Posted on Wednesday, Oct 5, 2005 - 10:21 am: Suzette, referring to Dr.O's remark about the result not being "pretty", my vet said the same thing, IF the person doing the job was not using a "human grade" type of tatoo gun/machine and excellent quality ink.There are livestock tatoo guns that are available that are not as "fine" as human grade tatoo guns, and that's where you will have a not so good result. I guess it can turn a bluish color over time, kinda like really old tats on humans. Also there are ethesticians that can do "permanent makeup" on humans, (lip liner, eyeliner, etc..), and this, IMO, is more along the lines of (pun intended, lol), what is needed for this mare. The "Princess" needs her eye makeup. LOL! Suzette let me know more about this friend of yours! |
Member: Corinne |
Posted on Wednesday, Oct 5, 2005 - 11:35 am: Suzette I gave the post to my friend but it was when our paths were crossing so she did not have time to review it. I should see her on Friday if this blizzard clears up enough for us to take lessons.Will be in touch. Take care, Corinne |
Moderator: DrO |
Posted on Wednesday, Oct 5, 2005 - 11:35 am: I am not sure the quality of the work is at issue so much as the overall appearance, think of Phyllis Dillar about 40 years ago or if that does not register perhaps Tim Curry in "Rocky Horror". Then again I have never been a make-up sort of guy. I have not heard of mucosal tattooing.DrO |
New Member: Jenjenrn |
Posted on Wednesday, Oct 5, 2005 - 10:07 pm: I just read Suzette's e-mail about this site and am so excited to see this topic covered. I do have training in permanent cosmetics with Suzette and our friend Sarah from Texas. I have never worked on a horse but am looking forward to learning more about this. The reason the black ink turned blue is because it has iron oxide in it. We do not use it on our women's faces any more than we would put it on someone's pet/baby. Mucosal Tattooing is an advanced procedure that is beautiful on women... my cat has hers naturally . I also am planning on going back to texas and train with the girls.Jennifer from Calif. |
Member: Rubysmom |
Posted on Thursday, Oct 6, 2005 - 10:34 am: Jennifer, email me! baymare1@hotmail.comThere's a sweet petunia of a dutch warmblood mare in San Diego that is in need of some permanent makeup. Suzette, yes, I saw the article in Paint Horse Journal. Very informative article. Thanks so much for letting Jennifer know about this thread and site! |
New Member: Jenjenrn |
Posted on Sunday, Oct 9, 2005 - 2:48 pm: Dr O, If Carbocaine helps with decreasing sensation that is a good thing, We use Duracaine on humans after the skin is first broken to numb the area, and if they are not allergic we recommend an antibiotic ointment for a few days after, what would be the difference in a horse? also could you direct me to a link or explain more about the 3 nerves and locations? thank you so much for providing this site and education to the public. I have already referred this site to a couple of friends.... have a great day...(sorry about any spelling errors, haven't figured out this spell check yet...)Jen |
Moderator: DrO |
Posted on Monday, Oct 10, 2005 - 9:39 am: The big difference would be the cooperativeness of the patient Jennifer: will the horse wait until after the skin is broken to start reacting even if sedated? Will he allow you to swab neosporin onto his eye lids / orbit following such a procedure? Would it run into the eyes and be irritating? I don't have the answers just the questions and know that the answers will differ from horse to horse.DrO |