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Discussion on Low White cell count and platlette
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Sunny66
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Posted on Monday, Mar 20, 2006 - 10:21 am:
Had the spring "stuff" done this weekend. Pulled magnesium, cbc and chemistry panel to check for any signs of cancer...
Results
WBC 4.96 - states normal is 5.40 to 14.30
Plt: 62. - states normal as 90. - 350
What can I give him to get these back to normal?
I don't know what the rest means, but thought I should put it in, just in case:
Lym: 2.10 - normal: 1.50-7.70
Mono: 0.26 - normal 0.10-1.00
NEU: 2.49 - normal: 2.26-8.50
EOS: 0.11 = Normal: 0.10-1.00
BASO: 0.00 - normal: 0.00-0.03
%LYU: 42.4%
MONO: 5.3%
NEU: 50.2%
BASO 0.0%
HCT: 35.8% - Normal: 32.0-53.0
RBC: 7.03% - Normal: 6.80-12.90
HGB: 12.5 - Normal: 11.0-19.0
MCV: 50.9 - Normal: 37.0-58.0
RDW: 18.2% - Normal 17.0-21.0
MCHC: 34.9 - Normal 31.0-38.6
MCH: 17.77 - Normal 12.30-19.90
MPV: 13.89
PCT: 0.1%
PDW: 19.8%
If you want the cbc results, let me know.
Magnesium was 1.8 - states normal as 1.4 to 1.9, so he stays on the Quiessence.
He was diagnosed with suspected Apocrine Carcinoma, has had two lesions taken off, no other recurrences in 4 years...however, the lab report did say it could metastacize inside, therefore my concern lies with the low counts.
Any input would be greatly appreciated.
He looks like "the picture of health" per the vet...however, I think that his coat is a little dull for him, but then again it could be just dirt 
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Sunny66
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Posted on Monday, Mar 20, 2006 - 1:35 pm:
Could this be that his immune system needs help? What is the best immune booster I can give him?
Thanks in advance...trying to stay positive here, vet is out today so I can't ask him.
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Sunny66
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Posted on Monday, Mar 20, 2006 - 4:04 pm:
Just heard that the low platlets indicate cancer..so I'm going to put in the cbc results so you have everything.
ALB: 3.5 - Normal 2.2-3.7
AST: 276 - N: 175-340
CA++:12.6 - N: 11.5-14.2
TBIL: 1.5 - N: 0.5-2.3
GGT: 12 - N: 5-24
TP: 6.3 - 5.7-8.0
GLOB: 2.8 - N: 2.7-5.0
BUN: 11 - N: 7-25
CRE: 2.1 - 0.6-2.2
GLU: 110 - N:65-110
OK? or CK?: 193 - N: 120-470
QC: OK
HEM: 0
LIP: 0
ICT: 0
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Sunny66
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Posted on Monday, Mar 20, 2006 - 10:22 pm:
Vet called...he said not to be too alarmed because we really don't know anything yet. He gave me the worst case scenario - said he didn't think this would happen...but I'm not even going to type it because it's NOT going to happen.
He suggested a Platinum Performance vitamin that has an immune booster in it...I'm going to show the vet what I'm feeding now and see how it relates.
He's coming back in two weeks instead of a month. I don't think I could handle waiting 30 days, especially since we'll probably need a third test to see what's normal for my horse.
Does this sound good to you Dr.O?
btw, he did say I could cut the Quiessence in half and we'll test again in 6 months....he thinks we can wean him off it.
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Canter
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Posted on Tuesday, Mar 21, 2006 - 8:05 am:
Aileen,
Keeping my fingers crossed for a positive outcome for you and your horse!
Fran
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DrO
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Posted on Tuesday, Mar 21, 2006 - 9:32 am:
I don't see any concern with these numbers Aileen. Just because the WBC and platelets are a little low is really no cause for concern in an otherwise healthy horse and does not indicate a need to "boost" the immune system, whatever that means. Does your horse suffer from chronic infections that indicate his immune system is not working?
DrO
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Sunny66
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Posted on Tuesday, Mar 21, 2006 - 10:20 am:
Thank you Dr. O! What I didn't realize is what low really meant...and not hearing from the vet to determine what it meant...of course I worried. He does not suffer from chronic infections, however, runny nose, yes...mushy bms, yes... allergic reactions, yes...but nothing that would indicate he has a chronic infection with my inexperience. He's still a happy, playful sweetheart.
After the vet left on Saturday, I went to the feed store and came home to find Brave passed out in the sun. I couldn't wake him -- banged on the barn...he wouldn't open his eyes -- then he was either dreaming or convulsing and I yelled at him. This was not normal at all...but then he did roll, shake and came to me...all normal. So I attributed it to being tranquillized and the warm sun. It's been raining non stop here and it was the first day of warm sunshine.
Then I got the message about the counts...and well I panicked.
Dr.O, thank you so much for easing my mind.
Thank you too Fran...it will be positive
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Sunny66
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Posted on Tuesday, Mar 21, 2006 - 10:32 am:
Here is the guaranteed analysis of Platinum Performance Equine... if I did switch him, could I effectively stop giving him Farrier's Formula and Cosequin? It would then be cost effective for me.
Per 132g
KCAL/# (Therms) 654kcal
Carbohydrate 42.25g
Crude Protein 23.75g
Crude Fat 37.6g
Crude Fiber 11.9g
Ash 15.85g
Linolenic Acid 14.5g
Docosahexanoic Acid 132mg
Linoleic Acid 7.9g
Amino Acids
Arginine 1980mg
Glycine 1188mg
Methionine 163mg
Isoleucine 924mg
Leucine 1188mg
Valine 1056mg
Lysine 250mg
Tyrosine 528mg
Cystine 264mg
Glutamine 4356mg
Phenylalanine 1056mg
Threonine 792mg
Aspartic Acid 792mg
Alanine 2112mg
Histidine 924mg
Tryptophan 528mg
L-Carnitine 5mg
Proline 600mg
Trace Minerals
Boron .6mg
Chromium 0.25mg
Cobalt 0.25mg
Copper 13mg
Iron 264mg
Manganese 13mg
Selenium 0.25mg
Silicon 2640mg
Sulfur 475mg
Zinc 25mg
Iodine .13mg
Electrolytes
Phosphorus 1060mg
Calcium 530mg
Magnesium 540mg
Potassium 1320mg
Sodium max 265mg
Sodium min 130mg
Vitamins
Vitamin A 2500IU
Vitamin C 250mg
Vitamin E 250IU
Vitamin D 500IU
Vitamin K 1.1mg
Folic Acid 2.5mg
Thiamin 13.2mg
Riboflavin 11mg
Niacin 13mg
Choline 6mg
Pyridoxine 13mg
Cyanocobalamin 44mcg
Pantothenic Acid 22mg
Biotin 2.5mg
ChonDrOprotective
Glucosamine Sulfate 850mg
(Net Glucosamine) 500mg
Would I have to grain him with something other than LMF? If so what should I substitute? Here is the LMF analysis...
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Crude Protein (min) 24.0%
Crude Fat (min) 3.0%
Crude Fiber (max) 3.0%
Calcium (min) 2.6%
Phosphorus (min) 2.3%
Vitamin A (min) 5,000 IU/lb.
Vitamin E (min) 500 IU/lb.
Zinc (min) 700 ppm
Copper (min)200 ppm
Selenium (min) 3.0 ppm
If you have time Dr O, I truly appreciate your input...I have a feeling my vet will want me to switch to PP.
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Sunny66
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Posted on Monday, Apr 3, 2006 - 3:21 pm:
Next blood chemistry test came back:
WBC 5.7
Blood Platlet 130. - doubled from two weeks ago
Vet said the wbc is not ideal...but IS in the normal range, so he's good to go. Phew!
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