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Mike Marshall
| | Posted on Tuesday, Jul 25, 2000 - 4:06 pm: |   |
I believe the intranasal strangles vaccine is now recommended over the intramuscular. However, please let me know about any reactions or what I should even know before I consider this vaccine. Q1: I don't know if my horse has had Strangles before, but want to protect him. Q2: I've heard the horse may get a mild case or purpura or ???
Net: Is it worth it? The stable area has been Strangles free but I don't want to take a chance. |
Cheryl Anderson
| | Posted on Tuesday, Jul 25, 2000 - 4:27 pm: | |
Mike, there is tons on this site about Strangles - do a search on Strangles with no time limit. I think your questions will be answered. Do your reading and make your own decisions.
I know our barn agonized over whether or not to do the intranasal (the intramuscular was completely out of the question). In the end, most of us decided we would because (1)strangles are active in our area; and (2) we have some horses in the barn that travel to many shows and they could be carriers.
Happy reading! |
Robert N. Oglesby DVM
| | Posted on Wednesday, Jul 26, 2000 - 3:09 pm: | |
And dont forget the main article that you can get to by backing up one using the navigation bar at the TOP of this page. As Cheryl says we cover this in detail.
DrO |
Mike Marshall
| | Posted on Wednesday, Jul 26, 2000 - 4:32 pm: | |
I am STILL interested in any actual instances of reactions to the intranasal vaccine. I've heard that Ft Dodge sent a cautionary note to all vets. Some did not receive it. I believe there has been some cases of severe reaction to Pinnacle and I would like to find out please. |
SK (Skeller)
| | Posted on Thursday, Jul 27, 2000 - 1:09 pm: | |
We had a reaction to the Pinnacle Intranasal Strangles vaccine at our barn but his was purely an application error and caused by giving both the intranasal and another injectable vaccine at the same time.
One horse sneezed on the vet and handler after getting the intranasal. The rest of the horses (all received both the intranasal and injectable vaccines)were affected due to the contamination. Dr. O says in his report on the Strangles vaccine not to administer injectables at the same time.
The reaction, large abscesses (one 10" or more inches in diameter)developed at the site of the injection. I believe the horses were given antibiotics and know that the abscesses were lanced, for some more than once. It took over a month for most to return to normal.
I was one of the lucky ones, my horse was not affected. (however they did quarantine the barn for almost a week, and we were all very worried til they found out what was happening).
The report on why the incident occurred was that the vet had not received the cautionary from Fort Dodge.
I consider this a totally avoidable reaction. It's really a common sense issue, but unfortunately all of us have made these kind of mistakes (right now I'm nursing a smashed finger that I received by putting it in my horses mouth right where it shouldn't have been. About the time I thought, this isn't too smart it happened. Lesson learned and it was totally my fault!)
Other than this, no adverse affects were noticed. I sure hope Fort Dodge has since printed the info on their web site. The only place I found the Good Advice was right here! |
Robert N. Oglesby DVM (Dro)
| | Posted on Thursday, Jul 27, 2000 - 2:50 pm: | |
Mike, I am STILL saying the adverse reacctions to Pinnacle are covered IN DETAIL in the article on Strangles in detail. See The Horseman's Advisor: Equine Diseases: Respiratory System: Strangles & Streptococcus equi.
DrO |
Mike Marshall (Zebroski)
| | Posted on Thursday, Jul 27, 2000 - 3:51 pm: | |
Dr O:
Yes, I saw your article complete with reaction statistics e.g., Allergic=.17%; Systemic=.02%. I admit I was looking for anything more recent, even fatal in nature. Thank you for "re-pointing" me to the main article. I will still monitor this particular forum for any new info on reactions.
Mike |
Robert N. Oglesby DVM (Dro)
| | Posted on Thursday, Jul 27, 2000 - 6:17 pm: | |
Seek and though shalt find, whether it is significant or not. Single reactions reported by individuals are practically of no significance what so ever: there is always the misunderstood and idiosyncratic reaction. The above personal report of abscessation is a well understood problem. Currently this looks like it is a very safe and efficacious vaccine, but whether it should be given still depends on your likelyhood of exposure.
DrO |
Joni Pasko (Paskoj)
| | Posted on Monday, Sep 25, 2000 - 2:45 pm: | |
Now I am confused! In one of the above forum discussions, mention is made to not giving the strangles IN and "another injectible vaccine" at the same time. Does that mean I shouldn't give my gelding Pinnacle with the rest of his fall shots (E-W Enceph/Tet/Flu, Rhino)? I checked back on Dr. O's strangles article, especially the subsection entitled "Intranasal Strangles Vaccination: Pinnacle by Fort Dodge" and couldn't find the answer.
Thanks,
Joni |
Robert N. Oglesby DVM (Dro)
| | Posted on Monday, Sep 25, 2000 - 3:52 pm: | |
No you misunderstand SK above she does not say you cannot do it. She is talking about abscesses caused by getting Pinnacle, accidently by the horse sneezing, on an injection site just prior to injecting the horse with it's other vaccines. This has caused abscesses. Follow the instructions in the article and you will have no problems.
DrO |
Penner
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Post Number: 54
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, Nov 24, 2002 - 3:09 pm: | |
Dr O,
Then if a horse that just got the intranasal strangles vaccine, sneezes,
swabbing the injection site with an alcohol swab just before injection,(for the other injectable vaccines) should probably prevent a problem at the injection site??
I am thinking, the alcohol kills + one has physically wiped away the contaminant. |
Robert N. Oglesby DVM
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| | Posted on Monday, Nov 25, 2002 - 5:56 am: | |
A little secret about alcohol swabs just prior to injection: it does not reduce the incidence of injection asbscesses. If a horse had sneezed directly on an injection site, I would want to scrub it up. A good alcohol wipe left on for 5 minutes may help. Best is to give the injections prior to giving the intranasal.
DrO |
Penner
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Username: Penner
Post Number: 57
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, Nov 25, 2002 - 11:53 pm: | |
Dr O, Thank you.
Now that I have a young horse, all my friends are asking me about why I gave it (the intranasal vaccine). I guess I did, because I am not real impressed with the horse care I see in my neighborhood, or when I goto public horse events. I am pretty big believer in herd immunity, so my herd got the vaccine today.
So, (last question - I hope on this topic, LOL!)
With the intransal strangles vaccine, if the remote possibility of purpura or lymphadenopathy occurs, what is the time frame they (the vaccine Co.), said they found it to occur?
Thank you again, for your replies! |
Robert N. Oglesby DVM
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Username: Dro
Post Number: 7346
Registered: 1-1997
| | Posted on Tuesday, Nov 26, 2002 - 6:23 am: | |
Purpura can happen at anytime Penner and is one of the complications of the disease itself, so unvaccinates get this too. It can come on as early as a couple of days following vaccination and I am not sure there is a time after you can consider safe since nonvacinates can get this too. The problem occurs most often when you vaccinate in the face of exposure to the disease.
DrO |
