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Posted on Thursday, Nov 16, 2000 - 7:08 pm: Dear Dr.O:Yesterday evening all the horses at our yard were wormed with Telmin Plus. They are all fine, and we've noticed no adverse reactions, except for the case of one of the mares, an 8 year old. Anyway, I don't know whether the problem had any relation with the wormer used. It may have been caused by something else, so here's what happened: This mare was being shod, when the groom called me to go and see her, for, he said, there was something wrong with her; She was actually salivating a lot, but she didn't look choked or otherwise in distress. She hadn't touched her hay, though, although she had eaten all her feed ( we feed her Mainring Blue )and most of her carrots. When I inspected her mouth, a lot of saliva came out, along with bits of chewed carrots. She seemed better for a while, but a little later she started dribbling again, and rubbing her muzzle against the farrier's shirt. Our trainer also carefully inspected her mouth, could find nothing, and after washing her mouth with running fresh water, she seemed better again. We then noticed, though, that her cheeks were a bit swollen, just above the comissures of her lips ( I don't know if this is correct!...)on either side. The trainer then said she might be having a reaction to the Telmin Plus, which might have kind of "blistered" the inside of her mouth. Anyway, when she was put back in her box, she urinated and defecated normally, and went straight to the hay rack, having started to eat it. She is fine now, although her cheeks are still a bit swollen. I don't think it is actually anything to worry, but I feel totally puzzled. Can you help? I apologize for the long message, and thank you in advance for your attention. |
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Posted on Friday, Nov 17, 2000 - 7:41 am: It has been a while since I have seen a tube of Telmin Plus and it is not one of the dewormers we recommend. It has two ingredients and one is a benzimadazole class dewormer but I am unsure which one and what is the "Plus"? An oganophosphate? What are the active ingedients listed on the product? DrO |
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Posted on Friday, Nov 17, 2000 - 11:54 am: Dear Dr.O:Thank you so much for your prompt reply. The ingredients are Mebendazole (BZD)+ Trichlorfon. So,the "plus" would be the trichlorfon (spell.?). Anyway, the mare is perfectly fine today, but I wouldn't want to use a wormer that might be too toxic in future dewormings. Thank you again. |
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Posted on Friday, Nov 17, 2000 - 3:51 pm: Maria,I used a similar wormer one time, a long time ago, it caused my mare to colic. I later found out that the Trichlor- part of the wormer was what had killed her grandsire, he also coliced. After doing some research, I discovered that quite a few horses had reactions to it. Luckily I haven't seen it in a feed store in a long time, and my mare does quite well on the Ivermectins and the Pyrantel based wormers. Good luck Heidi |
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Posted on Saturday, Nov 18, 2000 - 12:04 am: Sounds similar to something a gelding of mine suffered from in the early 70's. He would drip thick saliva at an alarming rate. For a couple of years we missed the cause. We used to tube worm back then - in spring and fall. Paste wormers were just becoming popular. We would use paste between the tube worming. Because we rotated the pastes he didn't always react - so we attributed it to an URI. However, when the episodes occurred, the became increasingly worse - the symptoms were excessive salivation and more and more, an inability to eat.The vets had no answers and every time we would get ready to go to Cornell - the symptoms would disappear. We wrote to all the colleges when we finally began to connect the paste wormers. One, in Kentucky maybe, answered saying that in some horses, one ingredient caused canker - like sores in the mouth and esophagus. This caused the salivation and made eating painful. Telmin was one of the wormers we couldn't use. When ivermectin came along, it was a real blessing. You are the only other person I've heard of that seems to have encountered something similar. |
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Posted on Saturday, Nov 18, 2000 - 7:53 am: Trichlorofon is a organophosphate and salivation is one of the signs of o-p toxicity. This dewormer is much more toxic and much less effective than either ivermectin or Quest. See the article on deworming for recommedations.DrO |
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Posted on Monday, Nov 20, 2000 - 5:33 am: Thank you,Heidi,Elizabeth,and Dr.O! All the best to you all! |
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