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Cassandra Smith
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Username: Qh2244
Post Number: 19
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, Nov 18, 2004 - 4:03 pm: |   |
I am currently trying to decide which joint supplement to give my horse and was wondering if anyone has had any experience with InfamAway EQ by KR Naturals. It contains 4000 mg glucosomine, 200 mg chondroitin, 500 mg MSM and 1500 mg yucca. I was trying to decide between it, Fluid Action HA, and Senior Flex and noticed that their is a huge price difference between the 3, with the InflamAway EQ being only $19.00 per month and the others being well into the upper 20's. I went to their website and it seems to me that they deal mostly in dog products and must have just started developing horse products not that long ago. Has anyone heard anything about it? I am on a tight budget and it seems to have very comparable ingredients to much more expensive supplements---I'm trying to figure out why/how it is so much cheaper and am wary since I have not noticed it on the shelf of local tack stores. I need it for a horse that was diagnosed with sesamoiditis. He is not lame, but swells after riding----I was told a joint supplement may be a good idea. Anyone have any ideas?? THANKS!!!  |
Robert N. Oglesby DVM
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Username: Dro
Post Number: 11531
Registered: 1-1997
| | Posted on Friday, Nov 19, 2004 - 6:07 am: | |
I agree that a much cheaper treatment by a unknown company should raise a warning flag. Also the balance of chondroitin and glucosamine is a bit out for our recommendations in the article on these drugs.
DrO |
Little King Ranch
Member
Username: Eoeo
Post Number: 96
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Friday, Nov 19, 2004 - 8:46 am: | |
Having tried lots of them, I found you get what you pay for. I use a product called Joint Health on our 22 year old stallion. Once he got on it the results were phenomenal. It costs $1.62 daily and is worth every dime. He can gallop the fenceline, slide stop and rollover his hocks. He also can hold his hind legs up for trimming instead of having to put them down every couple of minutes. His arthritis was really getting to him when we got him last year. The product is put out by Springtime Feeds, Inc. EO |
Cassandra Smith
Member
Username: Qh2244
Post Number: 20
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Friday, Nov 19, 2004 - 8:06 pm: | |
Thanks DrO and Little King Ranch. That helps. I will steer clear unless I find out more info on it.
DrO- In the article it says "2500 mg of glucosamine and chondroitin combined" is recommended. What exactly do you mean by that....what is the correct ratio of the combination?? I figured that the dosage in the InflamAway was good, as it exceeded the 2500 number, as does Cosequin and other better known supplements. Also, Corta-Flx is listed as only having 468 mg of glucosomine and no chondroitin, yet it is very popular...
Also, my vet always tells people to get a supplement with MSM in it as well. What is your take on that?
Thanks!!! |
Robert N. Oglesby DVM
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Username: Dro
Post Number: 11537
Registered: 1-1997
| | Posted on Saturday, Nov 20, 2004 - 8:29 am: | |
The ratio is in the next sentence in the article Cassandra. Concernig MSM we discuss it frequently, run a search and you will find both mine and other members thoughts.
DrO |
Cassandra Smith
Member
Username: Qh2244
Post Number: 21
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, Nov 20, 2004 - 5:41 pm: | |
Sorry DrO. I was reading quickly (obviously!). Thanks again! |
Janice C. Beckett
Member
Username: Beckettj
Post Number: 18
Registered: 1-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 - 10:27 am: | |
Dr O:
My vet recently told me about a new oral joint supplement on the market called Hyaluronex. It's supposed to replace Legend injections as a joint care option. Their website is at www.hyaluronex.com.
The Chronicle of the Horse also recently posted an article about the joint supplement Lubrisyn, their website is www.lubrisyn.com which makes a very similar claim.
My 24 year old gelding currently gets monthly Legend injections, and also requires annual hock injections to stay sound. Do these products provide hope that I can reduce my costs on Legend (now about $130 a month), or are these manufacturers simply trying to cash in on a lucrative market? Thanks!
Janice |
Judith L Gordon
Member
Username: Jgordo03
Post Number: 8
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 - 3:30 pm: | |
Janice,
I used Hyaluronex on a 27 year old gelding, with wonderful results before he died at age 29. Since then I've began taking Hyaluronic Acid myself. I believe Hyaluronex only provides 20 mg of HA (Hyaluronic Acid) per dropper full. I purchase HA from Doctors Trust online vitamins for $18.89 for 240 50 mg tablets. I take 100 mg a day. I would like to have Dr O's opinion but I don't think 20 mg a day is the maximum HA you can give safely to your gelding. If you can give him 50 mg a day safely and if you don't mind crushing pills you could save a lot of money.
Thanks,
Judi |
Robert N. Oglesby DVM
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Username: Dro
Post Number: 13580
Registered: 1-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 - 7:34 am: | |
Unlike support for chondroitin sulfate and other oral GAG's, there is not much support for or against the oral use of hyaluronate per se. I strongly suspect that it might act like other oral GAG's but products with demonstrated efficacy give about 2000 mg of GAG. Recently it has been suggested triple this might be better.
So is purified hyaluronate fed orally effective? Possibly but we do not know what size molecule and what dose that might be at. The studies that show absorption and distribution are very nicely done but do not measure clinical efficacy.
DrO |
WTG
Member
Username: Angel77
Post Number: 29
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, Sep 28, 2005 - 11:26 pm: | |
Dear Janice,
If you are able to administer IV shots yourself, then I would suggest you order your Legend thru Smart Pak. 1-800-461-8898. You will need your vet to fax in a RX for the Legend. I usually have the vet refill my RX when he is out to my ranch giving vaccinations. Cost is around $75 per vial and they send you a needle & syringe for each vial ordered. I also get all of my other supplements, Fly spray, etc from Smart Pak.
With my horse I have found the savings to be quite substantial considering he has been on Legend for almost three years. Injected once a month.
I also use Amerdon Rapid Response T. If you call and order you will also receive RR for humans as a free trial. It is a great joint supplement for me as well as a wonderful digestive aid for my stomach. I have only been on the human RR for about two months. Let me tell you--I feel so much better.
Sharone who is head of Amerdon is a very nice lady. She will answer any questions you may have about the products available her #1-800-331-1036. Please let her know that Wendy From the Palisades in Calif referred you. Even though it cost $279 a gallon. It has been worth it. My horse has been sound as a dollar. He has calmed down considerably while jumping. He has gained so much strength and muscle. It has been almost three years since I have had to have the vet inject his hocks. Aly has been on the RR for almost three years. I am truly a believer. |
Janice C. Beckett
Member
Username: Beckettj
Post Number: 19
Registered: 1-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 - 7:13 am: | |
Thanks! I've really never done an IV injection, and I'm not sure I want to experiment, but the Rapid Response sounds like a great alternative.
Janice |
WTG
Member
Username: Angel77
Post Number: 39
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, Oct 1, 2005 - 7:32 pm: | |
Dear Janice,
I understand how you feel about IV, but it comes in really handy during an emergency situation.
Such as Wildfires - Ace or Rompun,colicing horse-banamine until the vet can arrive, a horse that may be injured and won't get on the trailer(I think they use zylezine?I'm not sure about that one).
There are so many incidents where IV delivery is much more effective because it hits the bloodstream first not the muscle.
Good luck in whatever you decide to do.
WTG |
Els Janssen
Member
Username: Julesfav
Post Number: 17
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 6:24 am: | |
Has anybody got any experience with Acproh Dynam? It is being used for horses, dogs and humans, and is supposed to be very benificial for cartilage. |
