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Stacy Upshaw
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Posted on Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 - 10:35 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Hi Dr. O. Can the injectable banamine be fed thru, or mixed with applesauce for oral administration. If so, is there a dose adjustment? Thanks, Stacy
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Diane E.
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Posted on Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 - 9:02 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Stacy, I have given injectable banamine orally, the dosage is the same as if you were giving it IV. I wouldn't mix it with anything tho, horses HATE the taste of it and would be more likely to spit it out when mixed.
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Robert N. Oglesby DVM
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Posted on Thursday, Jan 29, 2009 - 8:16 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

DianeE has it right: no dose adjustment.
DrO
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Ann
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Posted on Thursday, Jan 29, 2009 - 10:10 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

How long does it take to show effect? Does the injectable last longer on the shelf? Would you use it orally for colic if advised to give banamine? .. Can it be used IM? how long to effect that way..?

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Diane E.
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Posted on Thursday, Jan 29, 2009 - 3:51 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Ann it seemed to take 15-20 mins FME. Injectable needs to be kept in the fridge I think, you can only buy it by the bottle unless your vet will pull a syringe for you, the date should be noted on the bottle and written on the syringe. I used it for colic and it worked fine. IV seems to work almost immediately...not sure about IM, don't give it that way have had to many big lumps from it, there is research that says IM banamine can cause closridial infection (I think that's it) Tho I don't think Dr.O. agrees with this, I know my vet does and will not give banamine IM.
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Stacy Upshaw
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Posted on Thursday, Jan 29, 2009 - 9:25 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Diane, how did you give it? Syringe with applesauce or non-salmonella peanut butter? I'd like to be able to give non-horsing husband a way to treat pain and/or fever from something like an abscessed foot if I am not home to give IV.
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Diane E.
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Posted on Friday, Jan 30, 2009 - 6:44 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Stacy I just left it in the syringe as is and squirted the liquid in..they are less likely to spit it out that way.

They do make a paste for oral application too (didn't know if you knew this, that is what I leave for non-horsey hubby) He did have to use it once and had no problems. Mine will spit the paste out more readily than the liquid tho. I always follow up with some sort of treat because they do HATE it!
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Robert N. Oglesby DVM
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Posted on Friday, Jan 30, 2009 - 8:28 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Storage and expiration will depend on the formulation so the rules on the bottle should always be followed. In the products I have used room temperature is fine. Onset of action is hard to answer because it may depend on which action. What we do know is that no matter how it is given it is rapidly absorbed even when given orally.
For colic given IV or IM I would give it 15 to 30 minutes before judging efficacy. I don't recommend it orally but if it was used that way at least an hour I would say.

Concerning clostriadial infections following IM use any injection is capable of this but the more reactive or toxic the greater the chance. Though I am uncertain it is so labelled it is widely accepted that IM is an acceptable use at least with the commonly available formulations and I cannot every remember a client having a injection reaction when used this way.
DrO
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Stacy Upshaw
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Post Number: 433
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Posted on Friday, Jan 30, 2009 - 8:49 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Thanks to all for the help and hints. You can always count on horseadvice to expand your equine repertoire!!
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Linda
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Posted on Sunday, Oct 17, 2010 - 10:16 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Dr. O,
I have read all this information on giving Banamine LIQUID orally. I see you agree on giving the same dose ORALLY as IM, but do you think giving the LIQUID ORALLY works as effectively, and as soon 15-20 minutes when given IM?
Linda
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Robert N. Oglesby DVM
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Posted on Monday, Oct 18, 2010 - 4:22 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Linda,
The question is, "As effectively for what?". We deal with this somewhat in my last posting above. There are many conditions for which the oral would work as well as IM but I would hate to rely on it for a very painful colic.
DrO
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Linda
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Posted on Monday, Oct 18, 2010 - 10:35 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Dr. O, My question is if you normally give Banamine IM does orally take the same amount of time to get into the body. Obviously giving it IV gets into the system the fastest. But for us who are not skilled at getting it into the jugular vein is orally and IM have the same effectiveness?
Linda
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Vicki Z
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Posted on Monday, Oct 18, 2010 - 11:51 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Linda,

If you review Dr. O's Post #22222 he explains that it would take as much as an hour or more to judge the effectiveness after giving the liquid orally as compared to the 15 - 30 minutes after administering IV or IM.
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DianE
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Posted on Monday, Oct 18, 2010 - 1:39 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Based solely on my experience oral banamine takes about 15 mins to work. I only use the oral stuff, shots make me nervous.
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Lee
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Posted on Monday, Oct 18, 2010 - 11:01 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I usually see results from oral paste banamine in 40 minutes to 1 hour. However, I have one 30 year old mare, that showed an intense reaction to the oral paste. She'd had it once or twice before, and then, after one dose for colic, two years ago, she swelled up into a huge case of hives( it did, however, take care of the colic ). I called my vet and dosed her with Benedryl. Two hours later, the hives were gone. Since then, I only use the injectable on her. She seems to tolerate that just fine. On my other two, I use the paste. Just an interesting side account.
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