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Sarah White
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Username: Louwhite
Post Number: 14
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 3:07 pm: |   |
Hi Dr O,
I recently adopted a donkey who won't let me near him with the fly spray/products and he is getting eaten alive by flies. I have purchased the Equi-spot stuff and leg wraps but feel I need to sedate him to apply. Could I safely put the injectable ace onto his food, and how much should I use? He is a standard donkey.
Thanks so much. |
Robert N. Oglesby DVM
Moderator
Username: Dro
Post Number: 12901
Registered: 1-1997
| | Posted on Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 7:59 am: | |
Hello Sarah,
Instead of spraying why not just get one of the wipes until he learns? The dosages and use orally are explained in article.
DrO |
Bob Stack R.Ph.
Member
Username: Bobs
Post Number: 13
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 8:47 am: | |
Dear Sarah:
How about a sulfur thiamine combination that we use in humans orally. Ask the veterinarian , if it is OK I will give you the dose
Bob Stack R.Ph. |
Robert N. Oglesby DVM
Moderator
Username: Dro
Post Number: 12915
Registered: 1-1997
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 6:56 am: | |
Hello Bob,
What is the basis for such a recommendation? While there are hundreds of references about the improved behavorial effects of supplementing thiamine in the deficient individual there is no support for the idea that thiamine supplementation might improve the behavior in a thiamine sufficient diet. In fact just the opposite:
Bibl Nutr Dieta. 1995;(52):43-55.
Interaction of vitamins with mental performance.
Heseker H, Kubler W, Pudel V, Westenhofer J.
Nutrition Department, University of Paderborn, Germany.
In the presence of a chronically insufficient vitamin supply which was verified by repeated measurements of the vitamin parameters, many unfavorable psychometric findings in the corresponding deficiency groups are observed for the vitamins C, thiamin, riboflavin, cobalamin and folate, depending on the degree of the insufficient vitamin supply. Vitamin supplementation in cases of initially insufficient vitamin supply indicate some effects in the sense of an improvement of behavior and cognitive functions. Supplemental vitamin intake in physiological dosages in addition to a vitamin-sufficient diet did not lead to an improvement of behavior and mental performance.
I cannot find any reference to the thiamine-sulfur combination.
DrO |
Bob Stack R.Ph.
Member
Username: Bobs
Post Number: 15
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 4:22 pm: | |
Dear Dr. O
Sorry for the confusion. The sulfur thiamine combination was my suugestion for an insect repellent that we use here in humans. It comes out in the pores and insects, ticks, and mosquitos do not like it. It has no sedative effect.
Bob |
Sarah White
Member
Username: Louwhite
Post Number: 15
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 4:46 pm: | |
Dr O...he runs from the wipes too - I think he's a mind reader. Would putting sulfur thiamine in his diet be harmful? Is this something that us horse folks should consider for horses?
Thanks! |
Cheryl Hohler
Member
Username: Chohler
Post Number: 249
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 6:20 pm: | |
Sarah, in the past I have use a 10 cc syringe and filled it with fly spray and gone to pet the ohnery horse and then I dribble the spray, on the withers, rump, hocks and poll. The horse just twitched alittle. |
Robert N. Oglesby DVM
Moderator
Username: Dro
Post Number: 12929
Registered: 1-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 7:56 am: | |
I don't think it would be harmful but that would all depend on the amount fed. I cannot find any evidence that this would help with the insects either.
DrO |
