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Aileen
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Post Number: 1218
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Posted on Wednesday, Jul 5, 2006 - 11:23 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Forgive me if this has been discussed before. Looking for input good/bad on B-L Solution.

BL Solution
Equi-Pro
Description:
Vitamin B-12 Supplement for horses in an aqueous solution containing Yucca and Devil’s Claw extract.

Active Ingredients:
Water, Dextrose, Devil’s Claw, (Harpagophytum Procumbens extract), Yucca Schidigera extract (a natural flavoring agent), Vitamin B-12 supplement, Xanthan Gum and Propionic Acid (a

Guaranteed Analysis: Vitamin B-12, min 300 mcg/lb.

Dosage & Administration:
Feed with the horse’s regular feed or give orally. Feed 1 oz (30 ml) for an average 1100 lb (500 kg) horse. Feed others accordingly to body weight, less for smaller horses and ponies, and more for larger breeds. (Container closure is a 1 oz (30 ml) measure) 32 day supply.

Warnings:
Do not feed to pregnant mares. Shake well before using. Protect from freezing. For animal use only. Keep out of reach of children.

Thank you!
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Chris Stevens
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Post Number: 80
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Posted on Wednesday, Jul 5, 2006 - 11:33 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Aileen,

I tried it with no success. Went back to bute for immediate pain relief and chrondrogen EQ for joint maintenance.

Good Luck,
Chris
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Aileen
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Post Number: 1220
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Posted on Wednesday, Jul 5, 2006 - 12:50 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Thanks Chris, I was afraid of that.

He's on oral sups, I'll try adding adequan again and see what happens.
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Fran C
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Posted on Wednesday, Jul 5, 2006 - 1:01 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Aileen,
Ditto to what Chris said. I tried it on my previous horse several years ago and saw no improvement.
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Angie
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Post Number: 548
Registered: 6-2003
Posted on Wednesday, Jul 5, 2006 - 1:46 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I didn't see any result with it either. I was mixing it with the very expensive Inflammasaver stuff, and the only good thing was the liquid B-L helped bind the powdered Inflammasaver.

What is the horses trouble?? Joints, tendon, or muscle pain?
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Aileen
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Post Number: 1221
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Posted on Wednesday, Jul 5, 2006 - 3:32 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Thanks Fran!

Angie, all of the above, he has djd, he MAY have a tendon injury (rehabbing something but I was not able to get a clear diagnosis -- not for lack of trying however -- so I don't what), and he gets sore from building his muscles up again. He also has ulcers from being on stall rest, so I hesitate to give him bute on a regular basis.
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Chris Stevens
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Post Number: 81
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Posted on Wednesday, Jul 5, 2006 - 4:06 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Aileen,

You may want to consider doubling his joint supplement dose before you go to the expense of Adequan if it's more economical.

Also, I've found that lots of grooming/massage helps ease sore muscles, especially if you use a liniment. I like Sore-No-More.

Good Luck.
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Aileen
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Post Number: 1223
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Posted on Wednesday, Jul 5, 2006 - 6:43 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Thank you Chris, I do have sore-no-more...but it's hard for me to tell where exactly he hurts. My best guess would be behind his flank...at least that's where he wants me to curry the hardest... edited to say this is for the muscle soreness...

I have 4 more doses of adequan on hand. I was initially going to wait to use them until we started working hard, but maybe he needs it now.

Forgot to say he's on 4 scoops a day now, could up it to 6 though...
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Robert N. Oglesby DVM
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Post Number: 16058
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Posted on Thursday, Jul 6, 2006 - 10:45 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Aileen,
Though I am not familiar with this product we often discuss Devil’s Claw which does have some pain relief properties in humans. Run a search on it for details.
DrO
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Aileen
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Username: Sunny66

Post Number: 1226
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Posted on Thursday, Jul 6, 2006 - 2:08 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Thanks Dr. O, he's been on Animotion for the past two weeks(has devils claw, yucca, etc) and it's not doing anything for him. Thought maybe a different mixture may help or not. I'm going to keep him on the Animotion until it runs out, I guess devils claw takes a while to get into the system...
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Robert N. Oglesby DVM
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Post Number: 16068
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Posted on Friday, Jul 7, 2006 - 9:33 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

That or it is not effective at your dosage, in your horse, or for the condition you are trying to treat, I do not recommend it’s use personally but that is explained in the other posts.
DrO
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Aileen
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Post Number: 1228
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Posted on Friday, Jul 7, 2006 - 10:25 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Thanks Dr. O, I did read the other posts. I upped his cosequin to 6 scoops a day. He was better last night, but still not happy at ALL. I've backed way off on his work, just enough to get him moving soundly then I finish.

Adequan tomorrow and if that doesn't help, I may try the oral HA for 30 days, if that doesn't help, it'll be injections.
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Robert N. Oglesby DVM
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Posted on Monday, Jul 10, 2006 - 7:47 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

And where does the most important treatment for DJD, phenylbutazone, figure into this?
DrO
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Aileen
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Post Number: 1241
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Posted on Monday, Jul 10, 2006 - 10:26 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Hi Dr. O, because he seems to have ulcers (not scoped, just treated with gastroguard and the treatment worked - no colics -- knocking on wood -- since he's been treated either) I'm hesitant to use bute regularly.

He is better as of yesterday, I even got an even tempo from him at the trot, something that has eluded us for a couple of years. Adequan still has not been given...

Since I don't have a diagnosis, I'm sort of going by the seat of my pants here.

Just a bit of background :-)

He had 6 months of pasture rest, vet's who saw him said not to confine him. We're doing 14 minutes, 7 minutes each way on the lunge 4 days a week. It depends upon how he's moving as to what I ask him to do. But yesterday, he told me in no uncertain terms that he was ready to work :-) So I took what he gave then ended it 14 minutes. When I ride him it's only 30 minutes at the walk (trot only a few straight steps if at all), sometimes only 10 minutes, I just see how he feels, but try to work him a little bit past his comfort zone so he does build a little muscle. After the wonderful work on the lunge he took a bad step in the pasture and limped a few feet, but appears to be sound no head bobbing or anything after those first few steps - it was his back left, I'm thinking remnants of the splits he did last week... it's been the right front for the last two years...could be compensation though.

btw, the navicular word is null...at least for now. Farrier used hooftesters on him two weeks ago and brought no reaction whatsoever without the shoe on.

So, do I let him hurt (however, something is working here if I could get an even tempo from him) and continue with my current program? Or do I change it yet again. He is improving, but I am at a loss here as to if I'm doing the best thing for him. I guess I'll have to put some money out for an MRI.
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Aileen
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Post Number: 1243
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Posted on Monday, Jul 10, 2006 - 12:16 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I know it helps me to take an aspirin now and then, I thought it would do the same for him, and was looking for an alternative (that works) to bute.

Another question, is it really that normal to take two steps forward and one step back during rehab? Or would it depend upon the injury?
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D. Elmquist
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Post Number: 11
Registered: 6-2006
Posted on Monday, Jul 10, 2006 - 5:15 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I tried BL Solution on Chuck a few years back---my 30+ old horse went into his wild stallion routine and got hotter than hell on it- almost thought the product had been switched with Red Cell---after about 6 days I dumped it out---have done that with many joint products ---sure wish I could find one that helps him
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Chris Stevens
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Posted on Monday, Jul 10, 2006 - 6:01 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Wow!! I never got any results from either BL or Red Cell!! I must have been "blessed" with very, very quiet (lazy) horses.

Aileen, even though it all ended badly, I have to say that I have absolutely no regrets doing the MRI on my horse. It answered nagging questions that multiple radiographs and ultrasounds had never been able to answer. Like you, I had periods of soundness over the years, they just kept getting shorter and shorter until it was just that; intermittent soundness instead of intermittent lameness.

Best of luck to you.

Chris
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Aileen
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Post Number: 1244
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Posted on Monday, Jul 10, 2006 - 9:30 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Thank you D and Chris,

Not sound at all tonight. Could even be bilateral. Head was straight up in the air. Had my trainer look at him and she thought it was his left front somewhere from his knee to his shoulder. He got his adequan shot tonight, I'm calling the vet tomorrow, see what he says then I'll make an appointment with Davis.

I'll repost this under his neverending thread...
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stenella
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Posted on Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 - 12:29 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Have you tried MSM?
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Aileen
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Posted on Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 - 10:48 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Hi Stenella, I have not had him on MSM for quite awhile, when he was on it before, it didn't seem to help at all. Thank you though :-)
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D. Elmquist
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Posted on Wednesday, Jul 12, 2006 - 11:34 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

if any of you find a joint solution that works on arthritus I am very open to suggestions for my 36 year old slightly lame horse---been on the web for over a week and there are many that "claim" to make a sound horse out of him---antway Aileen do you have a decent chriopractor(sp) in your area? one here does wonders
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stenella
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Posted on Thursday, Jul 13, 2006 - 12:02 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

I had my old horse (with severe arthritis) on something called Arthryl. At age 27, he stopped eating and seemed ready to give up. I put him on it, per my vet's recommendation, and he began eating again, was better able to get around again ( not great, but at least he became interested in living and had his old mischievous sparkle in his eye, again). He made it to age 30.
This is a formula made in Maryland, I believe, not readily available, but you can look into it. It's expensive, $30 per shot (IM), and he got a shot weekly, sometimes every 4 days, in winter. Dr, O can probably give you more information about it. All I know is that it did make a significant difference in the quality of the end of my horse's life.
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Aileen
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Post Number: 1268
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Posted on Thursday, Jul 13, 2006 - 12:13 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Hi D,

Yes I have a great chiro, she's a vet and also accupuncturist. But she said he was great about 4 months ago and to call her next year - may end up calling her tho. I'm having a bioscan done on him Monday. She claims she can find out exactly what hurts.

Cosequin is scientifically proven to work, I'm may try the oral Hylaronic Acid, it is not proven, but I figure 30 days can't hurt to see if it makes a difference.

The thing about joint supplements is that what works for one horse, may not work for another...it seems that's just the way it is, unfortunately you'll have to do some testing on him - I'd give each 30 days trial. Also, flax seed is good if you don't have him on a diet.

Good luck!
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cindy O'DELL
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Posted on Thursday, Jul 13, 2006 - 12:16 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Guess I'll be the lone yes vote for B-L solution!Have used it on 3 horses and it seems to really help?? Some friends also tried it and had good results ?! My arab can not handle bute so this worked for him and he is very pain sensitive,tiny hurts loom large in his mind! Also have horse on Next Level for joint pain and my farrier was so impressed that he started his own horse on it with very good results!! Cindy
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Robert N. Oglesby DVM
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Posted on Friday, Jul 14, 2006 - 6:32 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

I believe it is a glucosamine product stenella.
DrO
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