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esther
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Username: Chellis6
Post Number: 15
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, Nov 30, 2006 - 4:49 pm: |   |
My question is to the people breeding warmbloods. Can some of you tell me what breeds that your breeding. Example Percheron/tb. , percheron/paint arabian/? ect. and what you like about that mix. Thank you. Ps I am looking for a warmblood but can not afford the expencise ones. I am looking to do dressage. Just researching all the different breeds. I am thinking of a percheron //? Your suggestions are welcomed. |
Chris Stevens
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Username: Stevens
Post Number: 181
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, Nov 30, 2006 - 5:06 pm: | |
A friend of mine has a Percheron/Arab cross mare. I've ridden her quite a bit and was pleasantly surprised at how comfortable she was to ride, especially at the trot.
That said, she is also incredibly lazy and the rider really has to work to get her moving FORWARD!!
All in all a very sweet horse and while she's done well at training level dressage I don't think she'll be moving very far up the levels.
Chris |
jos
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Username: Paardex
Post Number: 142
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Friday, Dec 1, 2006 - 6:46 am: | |
Esther, I would like to know at what level you would like to compete and what kind of horse would be your ideal. That makes it more easy to advice. I breed Holsteiners and have bred KWPN[Dutch riding horse] and have bred a few dressage horses [to level Grand Prix]
IMO it would be cheapest and with a big chance of succes to use an arab or a thoroughbred. Usually you will be able to find at a nice price one who is for instance old[er] or not good enough for their own disciplines. For a good owner people will at times sell cheap[I started like this with an old thoroughbred]. Then use semen of the stallion you like most and can afford. In the meantime practise with the broodmare. This way I managed to have a lot of fun and I ended up with [I think] good horses.
It takes time but it gives time too to develop your own taste and knowledge.
Hope my opinion is of some help to you.
Jos
PS if you want to know something about breeding European warmbloods I think I will be able to help you and feel free to ask. |
Hally
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Username: Hally
Post Number: 102
Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Friday, Dec 1, 2006 - 6:17 pm: | |
If you are just getting into dressage and have a limited budget, as far as I am concerned a lot of breeds can fill your needs. I have two warmbloods now, however prior to them I had a large boned Appy that I had for 23 yrs. He was shown up to what was then Medium 2. He did his job with a stout heart and never came out of the show ring without a ribbon. There are many breeds that can participate in dressage. |
Catherine McCourt
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Username: Kstud
Post Number: 96
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Friday, Dec 1, 2006 - 7:38 pm: | |
Hi Esther,
We breed Irish Sport Horses here in Ireland and at our farm we use no Warmbloods at all, only Irish Draught and Thoroughbred crosses. Some Irish Draughts have amazing movement and i believe there is a stallion competing in the USA at the moment at the highest level. These horses have the most easy, level headed trainable temperaments that you have ever met and yet can float across the ground. They are never spooky or nervous and are used in England and Ireland as police horses because of that. They are from 15.2hh to 17hh and are solid but athletic in build. If you want something with less bone then then a draught crossed with a thoroughbred is often used. They make great family horses too and are healthy and sane. |
Erika L
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Username: Erika
Post Number: 581
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Friday, Dec 1, 2006 - 10:02 pm: | |
Catherine, I love the Irish Draughts I've known here but they are just as expensive here as the European Warmbloods!
Esther, you might try calling the American Warmblood Society.
http://www.americanwarmblood.org/
They are a wonderful source of information, and always very nice and helpful.
They may be able to tell you what crosses are often successful in the discipline of your choice. AWS is not a breed registry, but horses can be of any breed except pure draft, or pure Thoroughbred or pure Arab. They inspect and register horses of the type to excel in Olympic sports.
I am assuming from your post that you are looking more for a crossbred than a registered European warmblood? Check the CanAm horse website, too, for less expensive warmblood types.
http://www.canamsporthorses.com/
Hope this is of help. |
esther
Member
Username: Chellis6
Post Number: 16
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, Dec 2, 2006 - 12:18 am: | |
Thank you so far for your thoughts on the subject. We know about the american warmblood society. I have a three year old paint /arabian that we took and passed the inspection in the blue.
Also have a tb/percheron/Sire solid paint dam that is registered there.She is going to be three this year and has more years to grow . But she is showing more movements for hunter then dressage
My daughter has been doing dressage for five years now and can ride up to level three. She would also love to breed for color. (Paint).
So this is why I was asking for some of your thoughts on the breeds out there. What do some of you have out there doing dressage. And what level are you doing with them/
What are your thoughts or if any of you have owned or own any of the following breeds What do you thing on Percheron with a stallion paint /tb who is built more like a tb. Or percheron/arabian Paint to arabian.
IF you research many of the european warmbloods back years ago they had arabian tb and working horse in there pedigrees. |
Imogen Bertin
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Username: Imogen
Post Number: 863
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, Dec 2, 2006 - 6:33 am: | |
I think as you mention dressage Esther that you need to start by assessing the mare you want to breed for movement and temperament suitable for dressage.
Is the horse straight? How are its paces - are all three good? Is the temperament quiet but willing? If not don't do it. This is before you start thinking about which sire to use... If you are not sure of your own ability find someone knowledgeable about dressage in your area and ask them to come and assess the horse.
Best wishes
Imogen |
jos
Member
Username: Paardex
Post Number: 146
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, Dec 2, 2006 - 6:41 am: | |
I totally agree with Imogen. And don't forget if you'outcross' with two horses in types so far apart there is a wide range of possible varieties from completely mom to completely dad.
Best wishes too
Jos |
Linda Chesson
New Member
Username: Linda22
Post Number: 1
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, Dec 2, 2006 - 3:23 pm: | |
Esther,
Have you considered a Pinto Saddlebred? They are very flashy and many Saddlebreds that are not trained to have high motion will make fantastic Dressage horses. My daughter owned the dam of a Pinto Saddlebred Level 4 Dressage mare some years ago. I recently sold a pinto Saddlebred gelding to his new owner in Texas and she put him with a Dressage trainer as this horse is smart and very talented.
Linda} |
Fran C
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Username: Canter
Post Number: 754
Registered: 1-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, Dec 2, 2006 - 4:08 pm: | |
There are plenty of TB's that do well in the lower levels of dressage as well. I have two friends who both have big TBs, both cleaned up at level 2 this past summer and are now schooling level 3. Though it's not likely either horse will be competitive against the warmbloods at the highest levels, depending upon the goals of the rider and the talents of the horse, a TB can be a lovely dressage horse. |
