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leslie christian
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Username: leslie1
Post Number: 214
Registered: 8-2006
| | Posted on Friday, Jul 25, 2008 - 2:33 pm: |   |
I am breeding my Appendix mare next year to an RID. Hoping for nice, solid field hunter.
I am looking at a King of Diamonds son, called Flagmount King. He has Errigal on top and bottom of his papers.
I adore the Irish draughts but dont know much about them as far as pedigrees and such. Any info, advice or interesting tidbits about them would be appreciated 
Leslie |
Akila
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Username: akila
Post Number: 1
Registered: 2-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 6:49 am: | |
Hi, it would really depend on who your Appendix Mare is by (if it is the same term as that we use here in Ireland, Appendix Irish Draught I am assuming you are talking of?).Touch of the Blues who I think is in Kansas would bring a lovely line in as he is by Blue Rajah (by Blue Peter), if that line is an outcross to your own mare? Have you checked out the Irish Draught Horse website (www.irishdraught.com) in the US - I also like the look of Tors Murphy McGinty - who is by Roma Diamond Skip - good bone and looks to have a lovely jump. |
leslie christian
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Username: leslie1
Post Number: 215
Registered: 8-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 9:17 am: | |
Hi Akila,
Thanks for the response I really appreciate it.
My mare is a quarterhorse/TB. Appendix quarter horse. Sorry about not explaining it better. She is a Very typey looking hunter. She moves very flat kneed/ daisy cutter. A nice comfy ride.
Ive always wanted an RID but they are out of my price range. I think she would cross nicely with one.
Ive been all over the irishdraught website... LOL I cant decide !!!! I cant wait to check ou the names you mentioned!
Leslie |
Akila
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Username: akila
Post Number: 2
Registered: 2-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 3:16 pm: | |
Hi, I thought it may be different terminology. That leaves the field wide open for you in terms of Irish Draughts then - and they are wonderful horses so will bring temperament, strength and courage to the cross. You can take a look at our own mares (Irish Draughts) at http://laragh-horses.wetpaint.com/ I am in Ireland so the sires I have used are miles away - but out of interest you may want to look.... |
leslie christian
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Username: leslie1
Post Number: 216
Registered: 8-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 3:20 pm: | |
OOOO!! I really liked the Touch of Blues, but he isnt standing to outside mares. |
Akila
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Username: akila
Post Number: 3
Registered: 2-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 3:48 pm: | |
That is a real pity .... sorry to hear that. |
Akila
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Username: akila
Post Number: 4
Registered: 2-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 3:56 pm: | |
Another one I like your side of the world is Huntingfield Proud Tim, I am using his brother Huntingfield Heathcliff, this year with one of my mares. Take a look at him. |
Akila
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Username: akila
Post Number: 5
Registered: 2-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 4:00 pm: | |
All of this is just presenting you with different options. Flagmount King is a wonderful stallion, he used to stand not far from us and I have been to see him. He is a lovely sire and a great temperament. And some jump on him. I was unaware that frozen semen was still available from him as he is no longer covering naturally. |
leslie christian
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Username: leslie1
Post Number: 217
Registered: 8-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 4:00 pm: | |
OH wow Akila I love Clasina! What a beautiful mare. And have a feeling that filly by her and Cloneen clover is going to be spectacular.
I also love Annabelle! I bet she always has beautiful babies. Mind if I post some pictures of some of the stallions Im looking at, in the next couple of days? maybe you could tell me what you think
leslie |
Diane E.
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Username: scooter
Post Number: 2534
Registered: 9-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 4:11 pm: | |
I had to look at the RID studs, I have met and took care of 1 of them at the eventing barn I worked at, and am familiar with the offspring of another. They were both crossed with TB's.
Ryd's Sea Quest was stationed at our barn for about 3 yrs. The horse was put together well, but quite frankly he was an A$$. His offspring carried the trait also, and honestly were not put together well. He could jump the moon tho, I actually got to ride him a couple times. The trainers nickname for him was "stumpy" because he was dumb as a stump and very hard to get something into his head.(stay away from that one) imho
The other one was Mountain Pearl, his offspring were put together well and had the best dispositions. Very trainable and smart. I was going to recommend looking into him, but I see they exported him back to Ireland in 2007. |
leslie christian
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Username: leslie1
Post Number: 218
Registered: 8-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 4:21 pm: | |
Fox n Firkin farm is where to get frozen Flagmount semen...(say that 10 times as fast as you can LOL)
I think they are in Illinois. I stumbled upon it by accident inquiring about a Uibh Fhaili son. I guess frozen Flagmont is pretty good...they said its been known to settle mares with only 25% of a french straw.... |
leslie christian
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Username: leslie1
Post Number: 219
Registered: 8-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 4:32 pm: | |
Thanks Diane...LOL stumpy! I will stay away from him. I want something that will add a little bone and complement my mare. She is very sane and even tempered.
Ive always heard that the ID's are sweet and smart and very hearty...I guess like people...there has to be "one" in every bunch! |
Akila
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Username: akila
Post Number: 6
Registered: 2-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 4:51 pm: | |
Mountain Pearl is indeed back here - which is god for us but not for you! Please post some of the stallion pics I would be more than happy to look at them. Clasina had her foal Friday 25th so have a pics of her up - a filly foal!!! Great - as we have been looking for one from Cloneen Clover because of the rare bloodlines on one side. |
Diane E.
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Username: scooter
Post Number: 2536
Registered: 9-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 5:20 pm: | |
Tors Murphy McGinty is located about 5 miles from me. I see him standing in the pasture often, he looks to be put together well and his babies look awful nice too....driving by. |
Diane E.
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Username: scooter
Post Number: 2537
Registered: 9-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 5:30 pm: | |
OHHHHH I remember now, "Murphy" stayed at our barn for awhile He was VERY nice! The whole name was throwing me |
leslie christian
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Username: leslie1
Post Number: 220
Registered: 8-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 6:00 pm: | |
Diane,
Im totally confused, Which one was the Stump?
L |
Diane E.
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Username: scooter
Post Number: 2538
Registered: 9-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 6:08 pm: | |
Ryd's Sea Quest is stumpy! AKA Jack for Jack A$$. Can you tell we were not impressed!
I saw earlier in the post Akila mentioned Tors Murphy Mcginty as being nice, and for some reason it rang a bell somewhere in the crevices of my brain...that's why. He is located right around the corner almost! When we took care of him we called him Murphy |
CherylA
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Username: canderso
Post Number: 416
Registered: 3-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 7:41 pm: | |
Hi all,
Before I start commenting I am going to let everyone know I am the registration officer for the Irish Draught Horse Society of Canada.
So keeping that in mind...
Leslie - Have you been to http://www.irishdraught.com/#stallions yet? That is the site for IDHS(NA), which is the Irish Draught branch for the USA. You will see there are a large number of RID stallions available in the US. The site shows that the agent for Flagmount King (frozen) is:
Brian Gwartz
Fox N Firkin Farms
PMB 616, 8502 E. Chapman Ave
Orange, CA 92869
USA
714-744-4220
Fax: 714-538-2757
Email: radiodr@earthlink.net
Website: www.jumphigher.net
Re Rhyd's Sea Quest. Diane - if he was at your barn then you know he hasn't had the consistent (i.e., same barn) upbringing that so many stallions need. That MUST have affected his personality. I do know that the owner is now very interested in getting his career going again, maybe that will mean some stability. I have not seen as many of his get as maybe you have, but the ones that I have seen have been sweet horses.
There is a fantastic stallion in Hamilton Ontario by the name of Garryowen of Suma. See http://www.ontariobreedersproductionsale.com/stallions/shaun.html He is a Pride of Shaunlara baby and has had quite the history. His breeding is outstanding and he has an unbelievable conformation, an incredible brain and personality. I have seen many of his babies and he puts a definite stamp on his get.... in a good way.(I plan to breed my mare to him, if I can work it out!) The owner, Barbara, has forgotten more about breeding than most of us will ever learn.
"Shaun's" son, Deja Vu, is an approved ISH stallion and is currently competing in 4' jumpers. A little lighter in bone but the same terrific front end and same great brain.
I am a huge fan of Silver Granite (I have had 3 babies, sold one, still have two. Great brains, great movement, great conformation). You can get him frozen through http://www.westglenfarm.net/.
Nikko also stands In Shining Armor (RID), who is the first canadian bred, approved RID stallion. "Thatcher" is supposed to be a total sweetie, though I haven't met him myself.
There are other stallions in Canada - I realize that to be politically correct I should mention them all, but I do not know them well enough to comment about their suitability to breed field hunters. But do check out http://www.idhs.ca/stallions.cfm for more information.
Hope this helps. You can email me separately if you wish.
Cheers,
Cheryl |
Diane E.
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Username: scooter
Post Number: 2540
Registered: 9-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 8:03 pm: | |
Cheryl, yes I do know "Jacks" back round and it wasn't a very consistent one at all.
When he arrived at our barn he was a complete nightmare. When he was in consistent training, he actually wasn't too bad, like most stallions they need a job. He was also very young when I met him.
I still think he has a bit of a "bad attitude" though, and so have all of his get, around here anyway. He and his get are quite sweet, but very unpredictable IMO.
He finally had settled down and was OK and getting better, when he was shipped off again somewhere for 6 mos. Once again he was a complete idiot upon returning. In a way I felt sorry for him, he was a very nicely put together boy and a nice mover. I was not impressed with his get however, although I will say IMO the mares weren't the greatest either. |
leslie christian
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Username: leslie1
Post Number: 221
Registered: 8-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 9:01 pm: | |
Wow Cheryl Thanks! What a very cool story about Shaun. I love it that he passed inspection at 19! And he is gorgeous.
I have so many to look up tomorrow! Ill be probably be posting more questions in the next few days.LOL
Thanks to everyone for their input.I really love hearing the stories, advice and opinions.
Blessed are the IRISH broodmares
Leslie |
Imogen Bertin
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Username: imogen
Post Number: 1146
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Monday, Jul 28, 2008 - 2:52 am: | |
Hi all
I think all I can contribute is a little background on temperament. Diane's Stumpy is from a line not known for their marvellous temperament (Sea Crest) although great jumpers.
I had a Silver Granite and she was a good jumper and mover but not 100% on the temperament front - I do not think that was the line, I bought her from a dealer and did not know her upbringing.
Flagmount King I think would be a good bet. I like Blue Rajah/Blue Peter line (have seen some lovely ones at the RDS). Anything that was bred by Suma Stud is worth looking at including offspring of Huntingfield Rebel although they tend to have big heads.
Cheryl knows I am a big fan of Grange Bouncer but he is not a "typ-ey" RID - better for eventing/sport horse crosses and not available frozen as far as I know.
Catherine likes offspring of Glidawn Diamond line.
All the above are based on your mare not being RID - if you have a draught mare you must take advice on avoiding inbreeding. For Irish breeders this advice is available from eg Norman Storey at Teagasc Kildalton.
Imogen |
leslie christian
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Username: leslie1
Post Number: 222
Registered: 8-2006
| | Posted on Monday, Jul 28, 2008 - 11:19 am: | |
Thanks Imogen... I appreciate the advice on temperment. As Im breeding for my own personal field hunter I think temperment is going to be (next to soundness ) the main quality I will look for. Its reallly too bad about Rhyd Sea Quest cuz he is really gorgeous IMHO. He caught my eye 
I just read DROs repro page ---My mare is a maiden,age 7... so I will need to use fresh chilled. Which really limits my options. Here are some pictures of a few more that caught my eye Availble to be shipped fresh. These are the best pictures I could find.
Also, If anyone is interested, The fox and firkin website/ email info is outdated. The breeding manager name is Rowen, and the email address is: fnffarm@sonic.net.
murphy
Steeped In luck
This is my mare...not a very good picture
This is fox n firkin horse Johnny diamond mine
Heres a Very well bred/very nice temperment/big bone QH Hunter Hes 17.2....Indiant Artbeat out of World champ Indian Artifacts.
K guys, Please feel free to critique!!! |
leslie christian
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Username: leslie1
Post Number: 223
Registered: 8-2006
| | Posted on Monday, Jul 28, 2008 - 11:22 am: | |
LOL my mare looks twig necked... |
Akila
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Username: akila
Post Number: 7
Registered: 2-2008
| | Posted on Monday, Jul 28, 2008 - 11:59 am: | |
True enough what Imogen says - anything that comes from Suma Stud would be worth looking at. My personal preference from the pics you have put up would be for Murphy. Garryowen of Suma however looks brilliant, so if he is an option put him on your list (which by now must be so long your head is spinning!). Good luck with it all. |
leslie christian
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Username: leslie1
Post Number: 226
Registered: 8-2006
| | Posted on Monday, Jul 28, 2008 - 1:57 pm: | |
Hers another pic of murphy! He does look nice
It probably a good thing I dont live where Diane does cuz Id probably be driving by checking him out all the time. LOL
....Then again, it would make the AI easier ...
 |
Diane E.
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Username: scooter
Post Number: 2546
Registered: 9-2000
| | Posted on Monday, Jul 28, 2008 - 3:24 pm: | |
Leslie he is actually on my route scheduled for Thurs. (the rattlesnake route), If he is out and about I'll check him out for you and if I can remember to take my camera...snap some pics, if you'd like. The meter is right next to his pen |
leslie christian
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Username: leslie1
Post Number: 227
Registered: 8-2006
| | Posted on Monday, Jul 28, 2008 - 5:00 pm: | |
WOw diane that is so nice! Thank you sooo much!
Super cool of you, but Please dont get yourself in any trouble!
Leslie |
Diane E.
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Username: scooter
Post Number: 2549
Registered: 9-2000
| | Posted on Monday, Jul 28, 2008 - 5:52 pm: | |
No Problem I won't get in trouble, I know the owner a little, she had all of her horses at our barn for 6 mos. or better while she was building her farm. He is usually outside, when I do that route. I THINK there are a few of his babies there also. Just got to remember my camera |
Erika L
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Username: erika
Post Number: 1302
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 - 9:33 am: | |
Leslie, I happen to like the QH stallion in your picture above. Your pretty mare looks like a nice match with him. Love that QH mind, too.
Having hunted most of my life, I too, was hoping to breed my ideal field hunter. Unfortunately she got NONE of her mother's fabulous jump (daughter can knock down the sturdiest of cavaletti!).
Are you SURE you can't find your ideal hunter already in existence? I won't breed again, and any youngster I've ever bought cost me more to raise and train than a good "made" horse.
I have touted the Am-Can association (hate the name, btw. Always reminds me of Kal Kan dog food!)here before. Great source for field hunter types. I know several that are hunting successfully--and the price is usually right.
It is an adventure breeding on your own, but I am convinced to let the pros handle it and show me what they end up with.
Good luck either way!
Erika |
Erika L
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Username: erika
Post Number: 1303
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 - 9:37 am: | |
Oh, I just looked at your profile. Lucky you to live in Lexington! Love it there. I call it Disney World for Horse lovers!
I bought my wonderful jumper there!
Erika |
leslie christian
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Username: leslie1
Post Number: 229
Registered: 8-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 - 6:34 pm: | |
Hi Erika
I definitely would NOT breed if I could get my hubby to cough up 10K+.
LOL, he prefers me to nickel and dime it outta him 
PS Lexington is so cool! everything is horsey. lotsa equine art and larger than life statues even in shopping center parking lots. I do love it here. |
leslie christian
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Username: leslie1
Post Number: 240
Registered: 8-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 - 6:59 pm: | |
CherylA,
Have you heard of this horse?
Bridgeford Markham Moor / Greylyn Stud
Irish Draught Horse Registration # F/823/M/0022
I think hes in Brinston Ontario Canada, but cant find much on him.
Im narrowing it down...Murphy (if hes really 17hh?), Huntingfield Pround Tim (has 10 3/4 bone), and Silver Galtee IDSh.
I would have picked the Suma stallion just to have a "Suma" bred...and his conformation seems spot-on... but Im pretty sure they only ship frozen.
Cant wait to hear from dianeE as I bet she really checked him out for me Its like having someone on the inside!
Im wondering why one website on a stallion will say 17.2 hh and another website will say the same horse is 16.3? Are they fibbing a'lil? ...just curious about the discrepancy.
Have a good one,
Leslie |
Diane E.
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Username: scooter
Post Number: 2557
Registered: 9-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 - 9:40 pm: | |
Leslie I wasn't able to check out Murphy today it was storming so bad . I am in that area tomorrow again, so hopefully the weather will co operate. |
leslie christian
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Username: leslie1
Post Number: 241
Registered: 8-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 - 10:16 pm: | |
No Prob Diane, not in amy hurry.
have a great day
L |
CherylA
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Username: canderso
Post Number: 417
Registered: 3-2000
| | Posted on Friday, Aug 1, 2008 - 4:12 am: | |
Hi Leslie,
Sorry for delay - I am in Ireland now!
Yes I have heard of him - he is actually in my area. Neither of the Greylyn stallions passed inspection for breeding stock, one has been shown to pass on his fault consistently, the other in some cases only. I cannot recommend either of them. Please email me at cheryl_anderson@toldyne.com for more information.
(sorry to be so formal, but in this case, I have to be!!)
Cheers,
Cheryl |
CherylA
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Username: canderso
Post Number: 418
Registered: 3-2000
| | Posted on Friday, Aug 1, 2008 - 4:26 am: | |
Yikes - more questions to answer! Sorry!
Barbara has shipped Shaun cooled in the past, but he is getting up in age so his motility may not be the best. But please don't breed him because of a name. Choose the best stallion for your mare.
Others will know more than me, but you should think about whether it is a good idea for a maiden mare to breed to a horse that has a huge amount of bone. You will already have extra worries because she is maiden and you are a proud mamma - do you really want to complicate with a worries about an oversized foal?
Also (and this is where I am going to get TOTALLY trashed in the ID community!!!) be careful about just how big you are trying to breed. You could end up with a very heavy, clunky looking and clunky moving 'cart horse'.
I hear that breeding QH to ID is a tricky business. You might want to check out breeders who use QH mares and talk to them about it.
As for declared height - well that is one of the more entertaining aspects of horses, isn't it? I have run dressage shows and am hugely amused by how horses apparently grow and shrink from one year to the next, simply because fashion has changed. Big horses are now 'in' so suddenly all those 16'2 horses are 17hh!
Cheers,
Cheryl |
Diane E.
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Username: scooter
Post Number: 2558
Registered: 9-2000
| | Posted on Friday, Aug 1, 2008 - 6:52 am: | |
Leslie, I had forgotten until I read Cheryls post. At the barn they had bred a tb to "Jack" she died right after giving birth, because the foal was so big. She is right, after that experience I would think hard about breeding a maiden to a big stallion. We also had one that the foal died after a hard birth and the mare was at a vets for the birth. (she was bred to Mountain Pearl)
Out of 5 maiden mares that were bred that year to a RID stallion 4 had problems. They were tb. mares. 2 foals died and 1 mare, directly related to foal size.
Not trying to discourage you, but something to ponder. |
leslie christian
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Username: leslie1
Post Number: 242
Registered: 8-2006
| | Posted on Friday, Aug 1, 2008 - 8:54 am: | |
Wow I had wondered about that! And Im inclined to agree with you. I had tried to do some research and found some info on a draft breeders site(maybe biased???)...
"The size of the fetus at birth is often determined more by the mare's uterine capacity than by genetics, although genetics do kick in once the foal has been born.
In one bit of research at Colorado State University, a Shetland pony mare was inseminated with semen from a draft horse stallion. The pony mare delivered a small foal during a normal birth, but the foal soon outgrew it's mother once it was on the ground and nursing."
Is it strictly a maiden mare problem? Hmmm, both Silver Galtee (ISH)and the QH Indian Artifacts are lighter boned compared to The RIDs. Althou both are tall. My mare is 16 hh.
bummer. |
Imogen Bertin
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Username: imogen
Post Number: 1149
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Friday, Aug 1, 2008 - 10:42 am: | |
From an aesthetic point of view if you breed RID to non-RID, you may also better to go light or medium bone stallion, otherwise there is a risk of getting a seriously awful looking animal with a long body and short legs. I've seen a few horse-dachsunds in darkest west Cork...
Cheryl are you going to the RDS? What day? I was trying not to go because I am skint, but I am so peeved at having had to hold the fort at work while all my colleagues are on holiday that I might go after all... Are you meeting up with Catherine?
Imogen |
leslie christian
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Username: leslie1
Post Number: 243
Registered: 8-2006
| | Posted on Friday, Aug 1, 2008 - 4:03 pm: | |
Thanks guys! I appreciate your knowledge of the RIDs. And your advice... I knew the nicker sister wouldnt let me down. I think I will stay safe and breed to Silver Galtee. He is IDSH. he looks to lighter boned. It says hes 16.3hh so my guess is he probably 16.1. And he looks lighter boned than the RIDs Ive been considering. |
Diane E.
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Username: scooter
Post Number: 2561
Registered: 9-2000
| | Posted on Friday, Aug 1, 2008 - 4:31 pm: | |
Hi Leslie, I stooped by haywire, where Murphy is and he was |
