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Nancy Sullivan
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Username: Sully
Post Number: 29
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 1:50 pm: |   |
Dr O....In a previous article I read that cysts up to 25mm did not present a problem when breeding. I have a mare with a cyst in the right horn about half way out to right overy. The size is approx. 1.5-1.6
So would this cause problems trying to settle her? We are AIing her with semen collected the day before and shipped overnight. So far 2 tries have not produced anything. Any help in understanding this problem would be greatly appreciated.
Thank You,
Nancy |
Robert N. Oglesby DVM
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Username: Dro
Post Number: 12995
Registered: 1-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, Jun 1, 2005 - 7:25 am: | |
Hello Nancy,
If we assume the units are cm, 1.6 cm = 16 mm which is well below the size likely to cause problem. We have an article that discusses the odds of settling and the various causes of infertility at Equine Diseases » Reproductive Diseases » Trouble Settling Mares & Stallion Infertility » Mare Infertility Diagnosis: cycles but does not settle.
DrO |
McClure Ranch
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Username: Cutting
Post Number: 1
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, Jun 1, 2005 - 4:38 pm: | |
Nancy,
None of my business, but are you checking semen for viability upon insemination? Are you able to confirm ovulation is within the window of 24 hours prior or up to 8 hours after?
We have even had mares settle as long as 24 hours after, but not so lucky going the other way (inseminating too early). Timing is so important. |
Martha Bartlett
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Username: Traveler
Post Number: 15
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, Jun 1, 2005 - 5:30 pm: | |
Hi Nancy,
I agree, timing and viability are so very important. I have a couple of good old girls that have cysts and they both settled (AI)this spring. These are pretty extreme cases too. I'm a real believer in ultrasounding to know where the mare is and checking the next day after AI'ing to see if she ovulated. I also like to check in about 14 days to see if she looks preg, that way if she isn't there is most likely time to catch the next cycle. I dearly love these old ladies and their foals are well worth going the extra mile. Hope you have great results. |
Nancy Sullivan
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Username: Sully
Post Number: 30
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, Jun 1, 2005 - 5:55 pm: | |
reading over the paper work I have, it says that follicle was 3.5 cm...inseminated 50 cc of cooled shipped semen with fair quality. 2 days later checked again and 3.5+ cm follicle lo, very soft and close to ovulation. I know she has been bred twice, but paper work only goes to april 30th. Seems like it was too soon since she had still not ovulated 2 days later. I talked with him again today, and he seems to think the placement of the cyst is keeping the egg from being able to rotate or something in the horn. Says its the size of his thumbnail. Getting very frustrated!! This is a 15 yr old mare that has carried 2 preg. last one being 5 yrs ago. Never had a problem getting pregnaunt. He didn't breed one cycl because he though she produced 2 eggs. Not sure what his reasoning was behind that decsion. Thank you everyone for your input. I truely appreciate it!!
Nancy |
Robert N. Oglesby DVM
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Username: Dro
Post Number: 13017
Registered: 1-1997
| | Posted on Thursday, Jun 2, 2005 - 9:45 am: | |
Let's see Nancy she was inseminated a wee bit too early yet the vet wants to blame the cyst which has been shown in scientific studies to be insignificant in itself as to conception rates. He also missed the best chance of getting her pregnant when he refused to breed 2 follicles then effectively managing the potential for twins for more see Equine Reproduction » Horse Breeding & Artifical Insemination » Twinning and Management of Twin Embryos....hmmm.
DrO |
Debbie E
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Username: Deggert
Post Number: 190
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, Jun 2, 2005 - 11:59 am: | |
Hi Nancy
goodness, find a new breeding facility. I had an experience like this where they kept making excuses and blaming the mare etc etc. Then I found a great facility and it made all the difference. Good luck,I know how frustrating it can be Like Martha the breeding farm vets ultrasound alot and also flush all mares regardless of age after ovulation. That is their protocol and it seems to work for them. Although, my everyday practice disagrees with this practice, but the breeding farm gets my mare in foal and when I have tried the regular vets it was no go. |
DEB W
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Username: Dwawz
Post Number: 7
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, Jun 2, 2005 - 1:17 pm: | |
Hey Nancy,
I have to agree with Debbie find a facility that offers solutions not excuses! I'm working through this breeding season with a mare that had a cyst appear last year after foaling and did not go away. Because I trust the Doc's I'm working with, I'm not second guessing their advice. Good luck. |
Nancy Sullivan
Member
Username: Sully
Post Number: 31
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Monday, Jun 13, 2005 - 4:03 pm: | |
Thank You everyone for your help!! I have been away for 10 days, hence the lateness for my thank you. I am letting this guy try 1 more time, and then will haul her to texas if they will take her!
Nancy |
