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Discussion on TOTALLY UNMANAGEBLE
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Conniep
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Posted on Monday, Jun 9, 2003 - 9:27 am:
I have to agree with Ann. I don't usually agree with harsh methods, but if you have a horse that is a danger to humans, you have to use an effective method to gain control, even if it seems a bit harsh. I am not implying that tying the horse to a tree is harsh. In fact, I have done this before. I love my horse, but not enough to be hurt by it.
I would try this before putting the horse down.
Connie
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Mrenee
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Posted on Wednesday, Jul 2, 2003 - 9:21 am:
I get horses like this all the time. They are tough to re-train if they have already learned they can pull away or break ties.
A friend brought me a 3 year old perch/TB cross that hasn't had a halter on since he was a weanling. Hasn't been led. Nothing. I worked (tried to work!) for a couple of weeks and decided to take this big 17hh strong horse to an amish man who breaks horses to a buggy.
He hooks them up to a team that is bigger than him, and he HAS to go. It was sad at first. He refused to move, but the other big draft horses were moving so he HAD to go. He literally sat down on his butt and was dragged along on his butt for a ways until he decided maybe it would be better to walk after all. He tried to bolt off, but of course those 2 big horses kept the wagon going and he couldn't go anywhere. He tried everything under the sun to get away, but those big horses just kept plodding on and on and he had no choice but to give in to the pressure and get with the program.
I had no other choice....he was too big to hang on to when he wanted to leave, and I never even tried tying him...I am sure he would have broken the tie...this way he is learning pressure and leading and when he comes back to me for training, at least I will be able to handle him.
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DrO
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Posted on Wednesday, Jul 2, 2003 - 9:04 pm:
I knew a man who had two steers that were attached together by a old wooden yoke that he wound tether bad acting or ignorant equines to learn to lead. 5 days with the cows and they were happy and obedient indivduals to be around. There is a modern version for those on us without bovine resources that I keep meaning to write up. watch for it in the next few months.
DrO
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Leilani
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Posted on Wednesday, Jul 2, 2003 - 9:19 pm:
I boarded at a local ranch awhile back that had a gentle-giant steer named Matthew. I think he weighed in close to 2k. Anyway, they had a young mule who decided that he would listen to no one, so they tied him to Matthew. Wherever (and whenever) Matthew moved, Russell followed. It was so funny After 3 days tied to Matthew, Russell was ready to learn.
Can't wait for your post Dr. O.
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Tangoh
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Posted on Thursday, Jul 3, 2003 - 11:11 am:
We use our giant mammoth donkey (JJ) to train our show bulls. We use a special training harness that is safe for both and used specifically for this purpose. The bull, who outweighs the donkey sometimes by 3 or 4 times has little choice but to do and go exactly where JJ wants him to go. It usually takes only 24 hours of being harnessed together before the bull has learned manners and is trained to lead, stand quiet on halter and be tied. This is a common practice here and is very efficient and much safer than a human training these large animals to lead. -
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Suzym
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Posted on Thursday, Jul 3, 2003 - 12:39 pm:
I just have one question for now. How much actual training on giving to pressure has this horse had?
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Sswiley
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Posted on Thursday, Jul 3, 2003 - 9:26 pm:
Wow, it sounds like the "tie the horse to a bigger animal method is effective". I have never heard that in a Pat Parelli clinic. But I have done it to a little donkey that would not budge, I tied him to a big donkey(Baby Huey). He left these deep trenches wherever he went . . . . !
I think Miss Allen is gone, I wonder if she ever trained that horse.
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Dres
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Posted on Friday, Jul 4, 2003 - 11:48 am:
i have a two year old filly 16'2" hands tall, that we discussed on another post regarding using a chain halter vs. be nice halter, .. anyway she was extremely dangerous to lead would rear all the time... i took her to a cowboy that said she was not halter broke... yup, i would agree to that.. he ponied her around she tried to rear he would move his 'tiny' 1/4 into her she would try to pull away, he dallied up the rope so that she could not... we used a cotton halter with attached lead rope.. by the end of the section her face had a few sore spots from the tugging,,.. BUT.. i had a filly that was/is totally respectful of the halter now... and as of yet has NOT reared when leading...
i am a believer.. Ann..
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rackn
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Posted on Sunday, Jul 22, 2007 - 2:16 am:
I didn't read all the replies. This may be a very old message too. Just wanted to add my story because I've been there. One of my mares, after our first move together, became so unruly and simply put dangerous to be around. I had people suggest putting her down. I was franticly trying to come up with a solution. I had moved her home without anyones help and she was down right scary to be around. Surely no one would buy her in that condition. The thought of what would happen to her if I sold her in that condition motivated me. So I held on.. I bought the Parelli level 1 kit and followed it to a T! Sure enough that mare came around. I had to get real creative, still do at times, she is smart to a fault, but that turned into a plus! We made it to the other side. Now, on the ground she is my best trained horse! I still struggle with her under saddle, mostly my insecurities, but she is no longer a danger. I could sell her at this point, but I wont. So there is hope, just find the right ground work system that works for you and work it!
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zarr
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Posted on Monday, Jul 23, 2007 - 1:13 am:
Robert, Am glad you stayed with her.Some of the very best are the biggest challenges. I had one too and have been very proud of us on many occasions ! It just keeps getting better, Enjoy Cindy
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