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Amber
| | Posted on Saturday, Apr 3, 1999 - 8:23 am: |   |
Hello everyone!
It's been a while since I have been on to this sight. Anyway, I was recently in a bad car accident, I have a chipped spine, and so I thought that it was only fair that I part-lease my horse out, so that he can get some exercise. I found a good person, she is an instructor and she is going to be teaching about 4 lessons a week on my horse. I thought that this was good, so that when my horse is worked it will be totally supervised by a professional. Anyway, I was just wondering if there are any special things that should be agreed upon before I sign the lease papers (or whatever.) I was just wondering if any of you have bad experiences or stuff on leasing horses, that I could learn from. I love my horse with all my heart, and if anything bad happened to him, that could have been avoided, I would never forgive myself. Thank you to anyone that responds, it is much appreciated! |
Janet
| | Posted on Saturday, Apr 3, 1999 - 8:23 am: | |
I have been leasing my Arab gelding out to a high school girl for the last year or so. She is a very experienced rider, she rides English, and she wanted to show him (he LOVES to show!). I agreed to a free lease so that she'd have more money to afford his board where she's keeping him and give him good care.
I have a clause in the lease agreement that stipulates in the event of abuse (malnourishment, inadequate shelter, harsh or cruel treatment), I have the right to take immediate re-posession of him. People have told me that no one would sign the lease--it was too subjective. However, she signed without a moment's hesitation, and I have exercised my right (in the lease) to visit him without prior notice. He is doing very well, and they are just loving each other.
I think it's good to have some sort of clause that says the lease can be immediately terminated in the event of abuse or neglect. It will give you peace of mind. Good luck. |
Ida
| | Posted on Saturday, Apr 3, 1999 - 8:24 am: | |
I do have a horror story to share... not to tell you not to part-lease your horse but things you can do to prevent these situations.
Besides what the other posts said, which are very true, you have the right to demand what tack is going to be used with your horse. Our riding club got this beautiful Arabian from a woman who loves her horse to death but wasn't able to ride. She didn't provide the riding club with a saddle and the riding club came up with a saddle that's probably hurting the Arabian. A few weeks down the road, the Arabian starts bucking riders off. So you need to provide tack or at least look at the tack they are going to use on your horse.
You also need to agree on what level of riders the instructor is going to use your horse for. If your horse is calm and nice, I guess he can work with anyone. But if your horse needs stronger ride, you need to have concensus with the instructor that beginners or novice are not to get onto your horse. The Arabian I talked about, well he seems to be a nice quiet horse. We took him out on a hack with a novice on him, he start spinning and threw the rider left right centre... I think the horse picked up something, and spooked which make the rider panicked, causing her to grab the reins or whatever, which mades the horse went nuts...
Lastly, I know some horses are very attached to their owner. I am talking from my own experience. People complained to me about my horse biting them and bucking them. He is just trying to say he doesn't trust them. So as the owner of the horse, it is a good thing if you can take some time to see how your horse responds to other people. If there are signs of distrust and disrespect, you are there to tell the riders what they should do... there are many many school of thoughts in training/disciplining horses, some say you should pinch a horse's nose when they bite, or hit his shoulder, or slap their lips... etc etc, so you really want the riders to use methods that are consistant with your own.
Ida
At the end, we have outraged riders, angry owner and a horse that bucks. |
Diane B
| | Posted on Saturday, Apr 3, 1999 - 8:25 am: | |
Make sure you have a clause whereby she acknowledges that horses can be dangerous and that working with and riding horses can be dangerous, and she accepts all responsibility (medical, etc) in the event that the horse injures her or a third party.
She may also require you to add a clause that you won't sue her in the event of injury or death to the horse unless it is of the willful misconduct of the leasor.
It is a shame that life has gotten to where we have to cover our butts for everything anymore, even when we're just trying to do a kind gesture. Hope it works out well for you and your horse! |
Amanda
| | Posted on Saturday, Apr 3, 1999 - 8:26 am: | |
Here are a few thoughts:
1. Make sure you know agree who is responsible for vet's bills, farrier's bills, etc., and that shoing, worming and vaccinating timetables are agreed on and what you are happy with.
2. Insurance--make sure you have it and that the insurance company knows that you are leasing the horse out.
3. Be in a situation to pull out of the lease if you are not happy at any time--and keep a close eye on what she's doing. turn up casually at odd hours to see what's going on! watch out for stuff like over-grown feet--some people can be a little less than scrupulous in such matters when it's not their own horse. |
DIANNE MIEARS
| | Posted on Friday, Apr 23, 1999 - 12:41 pm: | |
Its very important to have a legal release form for each and every rider who uses your horse, in your name, it would also be wise to make sure that the person giving lessons has adaquate insurance and even if she does, you also need liability insurance. Even if your state has laws protecting you, you can still be sued and will have to defend yourself(if insured the insurance company will defend you). We allow our trainer to use one of our horses for lessons and I reseached this situation fully. |
Karen Pierson
| | Posted on Thursday, Jun 3, 1999 - 12:45 pm: | |
I leased a horse to a pony-clubber for 5 years. There were some things I didn't like but tolerated because they were showing her and taking pretty good care of her. I used a fauna form for leasing and I bought a book on legal forms and I added alot of clauses of my own. I've leased horses to other people too and almost had 2 very nice horses stolen! One girl didn't pay the board and I couldn't get my horse back, did later tho, her new husband's grandmother paid the board bill. I sent my stallion 1/2 way across the country and the people were moving and taking my horse, traveled 1/2 way across the country in 26 hrs and barely got there in time and they gave me the horse, but not without a tongue lashing. Over the years I've gotten better with my contracts but am in the middle of a court case now (breech of verbal agreement) and discovered attourney fees and costs are not recoverable unless specifically stated in the contract. Something that I have not been covering in my contracts, so I'm still learning! Make sure all details are spelled out!! Anything you've discussed, write it down!! If you don't know how to word it, have your idea and discuss it with a lawyer!!! Believe me - I have been screwed so many times because I thought we discussed things and agreed and the other people didn't do it and said we didn't agree to that!! I can tell you more if you want to know. |
elizabeth
| | Posted on Sunday, Jan 28, 2001 - 3:46 pm: | |
Hi - I am a horse owner and I am in search of sample horse leases as well as information on major medical insurance for my horse. I'd greatly appreciate your input! Also, I've leased my horse in the past and have required that the rider put down one month's deposit, so that they will honor our agreement to give me a month notice before ending the lease. Is this unusual? A lady I'm considering leasing my horse does not want to give a deposit. Thanks in advance for any help you're able to offer - Elizabeth |
Robert N. Oglesby DVM (Dro)
| | Posted on Wednesday, Jan 31, 2001 - 10:44 am: | |
Have you checked out the contracts on the article page that you accessed this forum from?
DrO |
Julie Markich (Julieann)
| | Posted on Wednesday, Jan 31, 2001 - 11:15 pm: | |
IF she can't bring herself to pay a deposit than she may not the right person to lease to. Yu want someone who legitimatly wants that horse, not someone who thinks it is a good way to get a free horse. |
Cheryl Anderson (Canderso)
| | Posted on Thursday, Feb 1, 2001 - 9:53 am: | |
I part-lease out one of my horses. I wouldn't ask for a deposit from my lessees. The way I look at it is that if I feel I need a deposit, why on earth am I trusting them with my horse?
Instead I wrote a penalty clause into the agreement that if they didn't pay, I could cancel the agreement with 1 days's notice and they would be responsible for any incurred costs, etc etc. |
