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Chris and Juanene Johnson (Bucksrun)
| | Posted on Sunday, Sep 10, 2000 - 11:07 pm: |   |
We purchased an Arabian mare from a sale barn a couple of years ago. She was thin and ill kept and had recently been purchased from a defunct stable. I could see the quality in her face and begged my husband to purchase her, which we did. The mare has a freeze brand and upon having a friend run this brand through her Arabian registry program we found the mare to be an Alladin daugter. We contacted the registry and were given the names of the previous owners, who we have been unable to contact. The man from the sale barn said the papers were not available to him as the owners said that if they had to sell the horses at such a loss then the papers were not available. Is this legal? This mare actually has 4 offspring and 2 of them are still on the NSH circut. We have had her bred and have a lovely Bey Shah grandson. We want very much to register him as full blooded and not half. Is this possible? Please advise.
Jo Johnson |
Robert N. Oglesby DVM (Dro)
| | Posted on Monday, Sep 11, 2000 - 6:55 am: | |
There would be no laws to prevent such a sale as long as the horse was not misrepresented. You need to recontact the Arab registry and see what they can do for you.
DrO |
Heidi Hocker (Heidih)
| | Posted on Friday, Sep 15, 2000 - 9:32 am: | |
I have also rescued several Arabian horses from the sale barn. Some have come with papers and some haven't. According the the Arabian Horse Registry, you can't get the papers, unless the previous recorded owner will sign them over to you.
I recommend trying to find the last recorced (by the Registry)owner, and finding out if they still have the papers. If they don't, see if they are willing to get a copy from the Registry, and offer to pay all of the fees. This is the only way I have had any luck trying to get any papers. I've had good luck using the Internet to search for people.
Otherwise, at least you know what you have, and any half registered babies are going to blow away the competition.
Good Luck
Heidi |
deborah brown
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Username: Dabrown
Post Number: 1
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, Jun 27, 2004 - 6:21 pm: | |
I AM IN THE PROCESS OF BUYING A WARMBLOOD GELDING FROM FRANCE. HE IS A REGISTERED SELLE FRANCAIS, BUT THE OWNER, WHO LIVES IN FRANCE, HAS HIS PAPERS. THE HORSE HAS BEEN AT A STABLE HERE IN AMERICA FOR ABOUT 2 YEARS AND APPARENTLY THIS OWNER IN FRANCE "OWES" THE BARN MANAGER (WHO IS ALSO THE INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBLE FOR SELLING THE FRENCHMAN'S HORSES HERE IN AMERICA). THE BARN MANAGER IS THE FRENCHMAN'S AGENT IN THE SALE OF THIS WM TO ME. HE HAS SEVERAL OTHER HORSES FROM THIS INDIVIDUAL IN FRANCE AND THE BARN MANAGER TOLD ME THAT THE FRENCHMAN OWES HIM A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY FROM UNPAID STABLE BILLS AND TRAINING OF THESE HORSES.
MY QUESTION IS: HOW DO I PROTECT MYSELF SO THAT I DO GET THE WM'S PAPERS (AND PASSPORT AS THE WM WAS SHIPPED FROM FRANCE) WHEN I MAKE THE FINAL PAYMENT TO THE AGENT? WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR ADVICE! |
Robert N. Oglesby DVM
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Username: Dro
Post Number: 10702
Registered: 1-1997
| | Posted on Monday, Jun 28, 2004 - 6:41 am: | |
The answer can be as simple as you do not give them the money until you have the papers in your hand Deborah. Otherwise you will need to contact a local lawyer to see where you stand with the law.
DrO |
Imogen Bertin
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Username: Imogen
Post Number: 524
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Monday, Jun 28, 2004 - 8:50 am: | |
Even with the papers in your hand you might want a vet to confirm the markings are correct between the horse and the passport... ie that the passport you are getting refers to the horse you are getting...
Imogen |
Imogen Bertin
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Username: Imogen
Post Number: 525
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Monday, Jun 28, 2004 - 8:54 am: | |
Hmm. I just read the original post on this thread. The situation here in Ireland is that the only way you can get duplicate papers involves DNA testing which can only be done if you have details of both parents, and where both parents have also been DNA typed. I have an unpassported mare I'd love to register but I can't because I know nothing about the dam although I am sure she is by the sire that I was told when I bought her.
I can only get what's called a "blue" or supplementary passport for the purpose of registering performance points and vaccinations.
All the best
Imogen |
