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Discussion on Corpus hemorrhagicum?
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paardex
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Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 11:51 am:
Dr.O I just came from the stud farm where I sent both of my mares.
They informed me Acacja the arab mare has either a corpus hemorrhagicum or a tumor on her ovary.
We decided to wait a few days to see how/if it develops which according to the vet would mean it is a corpus hemorrhagicum in which case he advises to wait till her next heat period.
I don't know what a corpus hemorrhagicum is and would like to know.
And do you agree with the advice of the vet?
Thanks
Jos
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DrO
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Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 3:55 pm:
Hello jos,
A CH is really no big deal and, depending on how you want to define it, actually represents a normal stage of the ovary immediately post ovulation. It is caused by bleeding in the ovulation site and goes on to develop into a normal CL. On US it looks a bit more irregular than a normal CL and on palpation a little softer. If the cycles are normal I would not hold up breeding and have not noticed decreased fertility when the CH is unusually large or persistent. However if the mare has already ovulated as evidenced by the CH it is to late to breed this cycle anyway so the advice remains sound.
DrO
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paardex
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Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 4:30 pm:
Thanks DrO,
in my opinion not so good news as she had had an ovulation[CL on US] on may 2 when she arrived. So another one at this moment is not regular while normally her heat cycles are regular every 3 weeks but ofcourse not impossible either.
We will wait and see.
Thanks as always
Jos
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DrO
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Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 7:49 am:
I don't know jos, I would be more worried if she was not cycling regularly. These kind of US abnormalities are common and often of no consequence.
DrO
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paardex
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Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 8:57 am:
Thanks DrO,worrieing is what I am best at but she seems in good hands and you agree with their advice so I will do as I am told:wait!
Jos
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paardex
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Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 10:56 am:
Akacja has now had two injections with prostaglandine and so far has not changed a bit.
Feels and looks on ultrasound still the same. Is there anything else indicated at this moment then prostaglandine [to get her to cycle again ?]and after that wait and see?
Thanks
Jos
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DrO
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Posted on Wednesday, May 30, 2007 - 6:52 am:
What does, "not changed a bit" mean jos? Can you succinctly review the recent reproductive history of this mare with dates, including the injections?
DrO
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paardex
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Posted on Wednesday, May 30, 2007 - 9:20 am:
I saw them yesterday Dr.O, problem was the language ]So translated as I understood:
may 2 : CL on left ovary to late for insemination[day they arrived and in line with her heat period] no other activity on ovaries[vet US and felt]
may 15 : CH? or tumor? big CH not regular left no other activity prostaglandine.
may 29 : Still the same no activity prostaglandine and put on for next check up may 11 th.
These were the notes of the vet he was already gone I read them and let the secretary translate them in case I had misunderstood.
Looking for heat periods in between vet check up is done. If seen in heat in between brought to the vet accordingly.
Jos
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DrO
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Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 5:26 am:
Yesterday was still a bit early to judge this last pg shot but I would repeat it every other day for a maximum of 3 injections, then if not in heat in 48 hours consider some sort of hormonal problem. I am assuming the uterus has a firm "diestral" tone.
DrO
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paardex
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Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 11:43 am:
Thanks Dr.O, according to the vet the uterus felt fine, no comments there.
Next week I will go there for an US of my other mare [17 days] and then I will talk to the vet.
Akacja was put in the book for the next check up june 11th. As we are already to late for the three times pr I will ask him to do this the 11th 13th and 15th if she hasn't come into heat.
Until then wait and see I suppose.
Thanks again
Jos
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paardex
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Posted on Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 - 10:07 am:
Akacja was in heat [on her own] the 11th of june and was inseminated 15 june next day she had ovulated!No prostaglandine was used but we had beautiful weather!?
Now it's waiting for the ultrasound on the second of july. I keep my fingers crossed.
Jos
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mrose
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Posted on Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 - 11:09 am:
Good Luck, jos! You are a good example of why breeders never need places like Las Vegas!
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paardex
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Posted on Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 - 12:36 pm:
You are so right Sara I was already content when the other one immediately got inseminated [she returns home this week] By the way I choose Iowa for Akacja the arab and Quite Easy for Margot
if you are interested look at www.brullemail.com
Boy am I happy I sent her there the vets specialize in AI and embryotransplantation.
The studfarm with the endurance arab stallion worked with 'holistic' therapy and a stallion instead of a vet! Wouldn't have been a good idea for this little one.
Jos
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mrose
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Posted on Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 - 7:41 pm:
It's been my experience that a vet experienced in breeding techniques really pays off, especially when dealing with either difficult mares, or AI breedings. [ The easy mares, anyone can do (or they can do it on their own) but difficult mares, god love them...because not many other people will, esp. if they are trying to get them bred!! ]
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paardex
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Posted on Wednesday, Jun 20, 2007 - 2:28 pm:
Yes and the worst thing is a bad studfarm and or vet makes a difficult mare from time to time On the other hand after that we can get them almost for free!
Jos
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paardex
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Posted on Wednesday, Jun 20, 2007 - 2:29 pm:
Sorry with bad I meant not experienced enough.
Jos
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paardex
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Posted on Tuesday, Jul 3, 2007 - 8:01 am:
Akacja is getting in heat again and possibly now with an infection in the uterus.
Swap was taken and if she is clean an ovulates we will try one more insemination and after that I am taking her home.
She looks perfect behaves like a lady[incredible]so stress isn't a factor. perhaps she just doesn't like loosing her figure
Does this sound like a sensible plan? An 8 year old can earn her living with a saddle too.
Jos
PS saw foals that made me very disappointed though
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DrO
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Posted on Tuesday, Jul 3, 2007 - 9:36 am:
Sounds good to me but I would base the decision to breed on the cytology of that swab and not the culture results.
DrO
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paardex
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Posted on Tuesday, Jul 3, 2007 - 10:17 am:
Thanks Dr.O we will.
Jos
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