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HorseAdvice.com » Diseases of Horses » Endocrine System » Pituitary Pars Intermedia Dysfunction (PPID): Equine Cushing's »
  Discussion on Does Cushings = founder?
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Member:
ptownevt

Posted on Friday, Jan 22, 2010 - 9:57 pm:

It seems that most Cushings horses founder. I am now really scared that Storm will founder. Does it really go together as much as it seems? Please tell me that just because he has Cushings doesn't mean he will likely founder.
Member:
scooter

Posted on Friday, Jan 22, 2010 - 10:21 pm:

Pam first thing I would do is rename him... S names are having a problem this year

Dr.O. can answer you question better than I can, but if you read the article it may give you an idea.
Member:
paul303

Posted on Saturday, Jan 23, 2010 - 1:41 am:

Ahh, P. Towne, every horse is unique. My 30 year old has never foundered. She was diagnosed in 2005. At that point, her hooves were hot, and her frogs had some questionable pus-sy pockets....but I attacked it with wrapping, sugardine, and everything I could throw at it ( of course, pergolide ). Thank heaven, my farrier and vet were so observant. God bless a young vet at New Bolten, investigating a mammary swelling with no definitive biopsy results. She recommended Cushings testing and we scoffed at her. Two years later, when we finally tested, she( the vet ) was right. That was in 2005. The mare is still doing well in 2010 with pergolide and previcox. Although her riding days are over, she still is relatively pain free and enjoying life. We foaled her on May 2, 1980....she'll be our "baby" forever.
Member:
scooter

Posted on Saturday, Jan 23, 2010 - 6:06 am:

Sam has had CD for well over 7 years with no major problems, I just started the pergolide this fall.

Low NSC Diet is very important for him, I think if your horse isn't IR also the chances are less likely to founder.

all horses with CD eventually become IR or vice versa, it would seem, but I am not sure.

I will be testing his insulin/glucose at least once a year now to see how that is doing.
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DrO

Posted on Saturday, Jan 23, 2010 - 9:34 am:

Hello PTowne,
Most Cushings horses do not founder and the horses you see discussed recently have many confounding problems that make their episodes worse than usual.

By following good management as discussed in the article, keeping your horse in a healthy (read as moderate on the Hennecke scale) condition, you will minimize the possibility and if it does occur it will be mild and easily treatable.
DrO
Member:
pattyb

Posted on Saturday, Jan 23, 2010 - 10:09 am:

That's a good question PTown.

In 08, I lost my Cushing's horse at the age of 33. She was tested upon my insistence in 02, solely due to her increasingly thick winter coat. She tested positive and went on Pergolide immediately.

In her entire lifetime, she had only had one mild case of laminitis and that was in 1999 because she was overweight. She was treated with Bute and vasodilators for a few days and I requested some heartbars for one go round just in case... She never had it again (due to a very controlled diet)....but what I did have problems with was abscesses. Once we found her Cushing's though and she went on Pergolide, she might have had one abscess (if any) in the 6 years she was on Pergolide.

In the end, I lost her to a torn aorta, no laminitis, no founder......
Member:
mrose

Posted on Saturday, Jan 23, 2010 - 11:05 am:

My old mare that recently died, basically from old age, was diagonsed with Cushings several years before she died. She was still ridden and active up until just a year before she died. She had very good feet her entire life, with not one day of laminitis or anyother soreness. After her diagnosis, I was very careful about what she ate, which was grass hay, Eq. Senior, bran, beet pulp, and vitamin supplements with HA and glucosimine.

The mare that I currently have foundering, had an initial onset due to a severe disease which included inflamation of the feet which caused severe founder in her fronts. We almost lost her at that time, quite a few years ago. Since then, she has been very prone to foot problems of all kinds. I doubt the cushings has a lot to do with it actually.
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