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Member: Aannk |
Posted on Thursday, Nov 4, 2004 - 9:02 am: My mare is 4 months and about 2 weeks pregnant. She is having intermittant colicy type episodes. The vet has been out, and can't find anything (she ultrasounded her too, and the baby is still there and everything looks normal). She prescribed banamine whenever the mare gets ouchy. Anyone else experienced this, and if you did, did it ever resolve? |
Moderator: DrO |
Posted on Thursday, Nov 4, 2004 - 5:55 pm: Hello Alicia,What are these episodes like? DrO |
Member: Aannk |
Posted on Thursday, Nov 4, 2004 - 9:30 pm: I am not there, but from what they say, she just acts colicy. She camps out, and looks at her belly and lies down. They leave the mares out a lot, but keep an eye on them.Alicia |
Moderator: DrO |
Posted on Friday, Nov 5, 2004 - 7:11 am: How often do they occur and how long do they go on for? How many months pregnant is this mare?DrO |
Member: Aannk |
Posted on Friday, Nov 5, 2004 - 10:34 am: Dr. O.,She had one a month or so ago that went away with Banamine. Then, she had low grade for a little while (I think it went on for two days with banamine intermittantly administered) and they called the vet. Alicia |
Moderator: DrO |
Posted on Sunday, Nov 7, 2004 - 12:34 pm: Well Alicia,though mild colicky episcodes are common in late term pregnant mares these are earlier and more severe than usual. They may not be related to the pregnancy. I don't suppose this is a young high strung Arab mare? For thoughts of possible causes and diagnostic techniques see, Equine Diseases » Colic and GI Diseases » Colic in Horses » An Overview of Colic. DrO |
Member: Aannk |
Posted on Monday, Nov 8, 2004 - 9:57 am: No, she is the TB I have talked about often before. She had the ovarian hemotoma and had painful heats. I think this may be related to diet, and plan on talking to the managers about it. She has EPSM and I don't think they are feeding the oil I am supplying correctly.Alicia |
Moderator: DrO |
Posted on Wednesday, Nov 10, 2004 - 8:18 am: Most folks think mares quit ovulating during pregnancy: not true! Ongoing ovulation in the first part of pregnancy and their associated CL's help maintain the pregnancy. I wonder if these are also associated with ovulations?DrO |
Member: Aannk |
Posted on Wednesday, Nov 10, 2004 - 9:16 am: Dr O.,Wow, I didn't know that! The thing is, she was ultrasounded and everything looked normal inside. Maybe the vet didn't look for a folicle, however. Damn, can't get away from this, even with her pregnant! Maybe I should just get the ovaries out after this. Alicia |
Member: Eoeo |
Posted on Wednesday, Nov 10, 2004 - 10:12 am: If you don't want to breed her again, that might be the thing to do. EO |
Member: Aannk |
Posted on Wednesday, Nov 10, 2004 - 10:27 am: EO,Not sure yet if I want her to be able to breed again, but I don't expect to breed her myself again (of course, the baby may be so nice I will keep her a brood mare, but that remains to be seen). If this baby survives (I know that sounds dire, but there is always a chance things will go wrong), I expect it will be the last horse I breed. I think mares are more marketable if they are whole, but if this ovarian pain keeps up, I will do it for her no matter what the monetary consequences to me! Alicia |
Member: Green007 |
Posted on Wednesday, Nov 10, 2004 - 10:43 am: Dr O,I know very little about what is happening here, so my apologies in advance if this is a stupid question. However, I am curious so I will ask anyway. Would hormone therapy like Regumate make the mare have less painful heats or is does that just solve "mood" problems? I ask this question both as an option during a pregnancy and also if the mare is open. If it were me, I know I would be happy to remove the ovaries if a mare is to be a show or pleasusre horse first and foremost, but would hate to spay a mare if she had legitmate value as a broodmare. |
Member: Aannk |
Posted on Wednesday, Nov 10, 2004 - 11:38 am: Debbie,I'm not Dr. O., but will give you what I know. In this horse's case, only stopping ovulation makes the pain go away. She started with her problems about three years ago. She had a large hematoma on her left ovary that bled into her abdomen. From then on, she exhibited pain upon ovulation (not every time, so it is probably just the ovary with the old scar tissue). I didn't try regumate as it is hard for women to handle and a pain to feed (I also remember that it doesn't stop ovulation). I did try Depo provera with good results. The problem is that it is VERY expensive. So, as she doesn't have the problem in the winter (usually), I would just bute her before her time and keep it up until she finished. If she went into heat before I knew it, I would have to start her with banamine, then switch to bute. It WAS a problem, as she was a competition horse. If I were to market her as a competition horse, I would probably want to cut the ovaries out. Depending upon how she passes on her genes, she may stay a brood mare. I was hoping being pregnant would stop the pain, but it seems I was wrong. The farm she is at stongly beleives it is just her uterus stretching out. If that is the case, I would suspect the second pregnancy would go easier. I don't have to make the decision now, and the longer I wait, I figure the more experience with using a scope to cut out the ovaries vets will have. So, in answer to your question, I guess it depends upon why the heats are painful. If it is ovulation, I don't think Regumate would work. Alicia |
Member: Green007 |
Posted on Wednesday, Nov 10, 2004 - 11:45 am: Alicia,It sounds like you have tried just about everything and looked under all the rocks! I certainly wish you luck going forward. |