Site Menu:
This is an archived Horseadvice.com Discussion. The parent article and menus are available on the navigation menu below: |
HorseAdvice.com » Equine Reproduction » Horse Breeding & Artificial Insemination » Breeding Topics Not Covered by the Above » |
Discussion on Quarterhorse breeding | |
Author | Message |
Member: Chohler |
Posted on Tuesday, Mar 15, 2005 - 2:13 pm: I know this probably isn't the right spot to post but I couldn't find a spot that fits.I have a Nice QH filly that has impressive breeding and poco bueno breeding. Peope say to stay away from certain sire lines particularly the 2 I mentioned, there was one other sire who's name I can't remember. What is the reasoning for this? I know it is linked to some disorder, but other than that I don't know squat. My filly is an awesome horse and a nice speed prospect that I want to breed in the future. I have seen many horses out of these lines and they are all good horses. |
Member: Canyon28 |
Posted on Tuesday, Mar 15, 2005 - 4:44 pm: I am sure they are referring to HERDA, which is a skin disease thought to be passed down from Poco Bueno, Poco Lena, and Poco Tivio through their offspring. I think they are telling you to not breed to any descendant of Doc O'lena or Dry Doc, since your filly already has Poco Bueno. If the Poco Bueno breeding isnt close or if their is only one or two crosses way back I wouldnt worry much about it. Has this filly been tested for hypp and found to be n/n, it should be on her papers. If she isnt n/n, then she shouldnt be bred, as the aqha is going to stop registering h/h and h/n horses in a couple of years.Impressive breeding is not looked upon fondly by most performance horse breeders. Anyone who breeds or is knowledgeable about reining, cutting, or working cowhorses, will not buy a horse with any kind of Impressive breeding. there is a real stigma attached to this bloodline, that is just the way it is. You mainly see Impressive breds in halter, western pleasure, western riding type classes, even HUS, maybe some in the speed events. If you decide to breed her keep this in mind and dont try to cross over into the performance lines with the stallion, because you would have a really hard time selling such a cross for what you have in it. |
Member: Chohler |
Posted on Wednesday, Mar 16, 2005 - 1:52 pm: I think the above horses are in her 10th generation on the dads side. I will have to look for sure. Her mom is actually an old AAA mare. Her mom and dad are local cutting horses so I have no dreams of grandure just local competitions. She is coal black with a lightning bolt blaze built like a brick house.. She has great conformation which is nice.It's funny I have always been around QH's but know nothing about them but Arabian's I can tell you alot. |
Member: Canter |
Posted on Wednesday, Mar 16, 2005 - 4:26 pm: Hi All,Just curious as to why (officially)Impressive offspring are looked on so negatively. I'm asking because I knew, several years back, a QH with Impressive breeding and he had the nastiest temperament I've ever seen in a horse. Very difficult to work with and would literally try to run you down if he was on a lunge line or in a round pen. It wasn't play...I'm convinced he meant business. (I was free lunging him for the owner one day and I had to throw a folding chair at him to stop him from coming at me--not something I'm proud of but at that moment, it seemed the wise thing to do) Is temperament an acknowledged issue with Impressive horses? Is the HYPP (which I have heard of but don't know really much about) something passed down from Impressive horses? Just wondering for my own enlightenment... |
Member: Canyon28 |
Posted on Wednesday, Mar 16, 2005 - 6:21 pm: One reason they are disliked is for the reason you answered yourself, many of them are bull headed and really hard to train. They are also not the ideal body type for performance. this seems like an oxymoron and maybe it is. They are supposed to be the opitomy of the qh breed as far as conformation standard, yet they have conformation and disposition which is pretty much non condusive to any kind of real performance ability or trainability. Its like comparing a huge body builder to a marathon runner or a football running back. NO comparison, one has strength and bulk,the others have physical ability and agility. the halter breeders also went off on a tangent with most of these horses, allowing some pretty poor conformational defects to be perpetuated in the quest for beauty, in their eyes anyway. The worst of these is the very small feet trying to support the huge bulk of an impressive bred horse, the other is a trend towards post legs in the hind quarters, a very bad conformational defect. HyPP was a genetic mutation originating with Impressive, it is a deadly disease, every horse that is a carrier is a ticking time bomb for an episode that may kill it. the first hypp episode can be the horses last. Anyone that truly cares about the welfare fo the breed would not want to perpetuate this disease. It is also found in the APHA and the ApHC, due to these two assoc crossing in the qh bloodlines carrying the disease.For this reason any descendant of Impressive must be tested for hypp and the results noted on its registration papers. Once a horse has been found n/n, and it is not bred to another horse that is h/n or h/h, the testing doesnt have to be done anymore. There is a special box on the breeding certificate that must be checked on all foals with any line to Impressive, no matter how many generations removed it is. |
Member: Chohler |
Posted on Wednesday, Mar 16, 2005 - 7:11 pm: my filly is n/nAll of the horses i have been with this breeding have been puppy dogs. |
Member: Chohler |
Posted on Wednesday, Mar 16, 2005 - 7:12 pm: sorry....all of the horses i have been around have been puppy dogs. |
Member: Contilli |
Posted on Thursday, Mar 17, 2005 - 8:06 am: https://www.foundationhorses.com/impressive_synDrOm.htmThis is a link about Impressive. I think people steer clear is due to the HYPP issue. And he same for PB for the skin afliction. Denise |
Member: Canter |
Posted on Thursday, Mar 17, 2005 - 8:27 am: Thanks, ladies for the info on Impressive. Christine, the info you describe in your post fit the Impressive QH I knew perfectly. Nasty personality and not a particularly attractive horse. Now I understand why my friend was able to buy him for so little money and why she had a heck of a time trying to re-sell him. Obviously, everybody knew way more about it than we did! |
Member: Qh4me |
Posted on Monday, Aug 29, 2005 - 4:53 pm: I just happened to come across this post and wanted to put my 2 cents in. I don't want to offend anyone, but not all Impressive lines are awful, or is their attitude terrible.Lets face it, all breeds have bad outcrosses, and breeding is a crap shoot. I am sure we all know a horse (QH or other breed) that has an awful attitude. I too have an Impressive bred mare, and she is a great broodmare with a sweet temperment. Extremely pretty, muscled and correct. I have shown her to multiple points in Halter and I have got a great 2 year old performance prospect out of her. It depends on who you talk too, but it is hard to find a quarterhorse that doesn't go back to Impressive these days. Yes, back years ago, Impressive was the way to go, and the breeders were the ones that caused all the issues. They started linebreeding/inbreeding to the point that Impressive would show up multiple times on a horses papers because they were beautiful horses. They had muscle and were so pretty. It was those lines that changed the Quarter horse industry, and they got away from the all around quarter horse that could do it all. Which I agree is sad,but over the past few years, they are trying to breed them back to the all-around QH that we used to know. Anyone that is showing in Halter, won't barely look at a horse unless it has Impressive on its papers. At the Congress last year, the top mare (maiden at that) who was 5 years old sold for $47,000 US and she was N/H. So to say that Impressive you should stay away from, I believe it is Impressive H/H or N/H but not N/N. I agree with Christine, The foot has been bred off of them, and they are now breeding them back to some foundation lines to get a better foot, but the pretty that everyone looks for, that is the Impressive lines. And despite what people say, not all Impressive throws a bad attitude. With any breed, you got good crosses and you have bad crosses. Yes the HYPP is a scary thing, and I have seen a few N/H horses with awful temperments, but to tag all Impressive bred horses with that is unfair. AQHA has brought in some rule changes to try and get this genetic disease in control. I know alot of people who have horses that are NH, and can usually keep them in control with feeding regimens. When I was looking at my first broodmare/show prospect, I knew I wanted an N/N mare and I made a point that I would only breed to N/N or non-impressive studs, just because I would never want to take the chance of having a foal that was N/H. I am all for the rule changes and think that AQHA should do more to get HYPP out, but it is gradually happening, and I think that is a great thing. But the reason I posted in the first place is to say to Cheryl, when picking your stud for your mare, do not limit it to non-impressive bloodlines. If you see a good stud that you like and it has the qualities and the disiplines that you are looking for, but he has impressive, I wouldn't second guess yourself as long as he is N/N. |
Member: Traveler |
Posted on Monday, Aug 29, 2005 - 5:41 pm: Good post Shawna, I couldn't agree more. We have a N/N stallion the makes the most beautiful babies, great confirmation and good minded. He is a pleasure to be around and handle. Likes to strut his stuff for the girls, but what pretty boy doesn't, he's not rude about it. He has a great mind, gentle, kind (always respect a stallion) and fun to ride. Always check the HYPP status of the mare and the sire before breeding. I agree with the AQHA changes too. |
Member: Angelvet |
Posted on Tuesday, Aug 30, 2005 - 11:33 am: i have to agree Marti and Shawna regarding the Impressives and their attitude. In our neck of the woods, many Impressive bred horses are being used as kids horses, as well as a for amateur riders wanting a steady reliable horse for all around.Why is it always easier to blame the breeding for those "nasty" actors? |
Member: Qh4me |
Posted on Tuesday, Aug 30, 2005 - 12:35 pm: Marti, what's your stallions name? Do you guys show and do you breed to outside mares?? |